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From: Mark Mitchell <mark@codesourcery.com>
To: Stan Shebs <shebs@apple.com>, Per Bothner <per@bothner.com>
Cc: Ziemowit Laski <zlaski@apple.com>, Ira Ruben <ira@apple.com>,
	"gcc@gcc.gnu.org" <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes foraltivec)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:40:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <74650000.1006922092@gandalf.codesourcery.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20011127204000.ivm_BowbF6lnM7Xun8AWsL80mQ0v8AUzhODhP5_RWW8@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3C044730.F10E0152@apple.com>

>> Let me answer for you:  We don't.
>
> Who's this "we" you're referring to?
>
> Zem's proposal does challenge GCC orthodoxy, but in the past
> you've been the one to question the rules imposed by other people.

Let's be very careful to keep this polite.  It's right on the edge
at the moment; everyone is getting tense.  No SHOUTING, please; and
let's not try to shut anyone up either.

Let's try a different tack.  What are we going to do about:

 (vector int)(1, 2, 3, 4)

Are we going to try to accept this syntax, or require the C99-like:

 (vector int){1, 2, 3, 4}

If the latter, then we have a source-incompatible change.  Once we
do that, all Altivec users have to change their code, and changing
"vector int" into "__attribute__((vector(4)) int" is not a whole
lot worse.

I think the fundamental question is not what to do about vector;
it's whether or not we're going to try to implement the Altivec
syntax or just its semantics.

It seems that most people would prefer the latter, but that the folks
at Apple would prefer the former.  Apple would like to stop having
to merge the Altivec patches, and they do not seem to believe that
users will be willing to change their code.  Is that right?

--
Mark Mitchell                   mark@codesourcery.com
CodeSourcery, LLC               http://www.codesourcery.com

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-11-27 20:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 237+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-16  9:10 front end changes for altivec Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-16  9:25 ` Andreas Jaeger
2001-11-26  2:55   ` Andreas Jaeger
2001-11-18  3:56 ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-18  4:24   ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18  5:09     ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-18  6:10       ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18  7:35         ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-26 19:50           ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-26 18:19         ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18 12:41       ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18 13:38         ` Andreas Jaeger
2001-11-18 15:32           ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18 16:49             ` Bernd Schmidt
2001-11-18 17:06               ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27  8:29                 ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27  8:00               ` Bernd Schmidt
2001-11-27  7:55             ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27  7:50           ` Andreas Jaeger
2001-11-19  8:02         ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-19  8:35           ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19  9:19             ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-19 11:51               ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-19 13:41                 ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-19 16:13                   ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19 17:51                     ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-19 19:15                       ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19 20:50                         ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 17:14                           ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 17:10                         ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-21 13:08                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-11-21 13:12                         ` Daniel Berlin
2001-11-21 13:29                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-11-21 13:31                             ` Daniel Berlin
2001-11-21 13:41                               ` Jack Lloyd
2001-11-28 23:44                                 ` Jack Lloyd
2001-11-28 23:00                               ` Daniel Berlin
2001-11-28 22:34                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-11-21 13:33                           ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-21 13:49                             ` Daniel Berlin
2001-11-29  4:45                               ` Daniel Berlin
2001-11-28 23:16                             ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-28 22:21                           ` Daniel Berlin
2001-11-21 13:24                         ` Per Bothner
2001-11-28 22:25                           ` Per Bothner
2001-11-28 21:07                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-11-27 17:03                       ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 16:57                     ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 15:16                   ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 14:50                 ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-19 15:25               ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19 17:46                 ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-19 21:39                   ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-20  1:05                     ` Dale Johannesen
2001-11-20  2:23                       ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 17:45                         ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 17:40                       ` Dale Johannesen
2001-11-20  2:46                     ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-20  2:56                       ` front end changes for altivec-- conclusion Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 18:00                         ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 17:50                       ` front end changes for altivec Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 17:24                     ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 17:02                   ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 16:50                 ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 14:01               ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 13:52             ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 13:40           ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27  7:24         ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-26 17:04       ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-26 16:39     ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18  6:40   ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-18  6:33     ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-26 18:46       ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18  8:19     ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-18  9:13       ` Ira Ruben
2001-11-18 12:26         ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19  4:45           ` Ira Ruben
2001-11-19  6:04             ` Geoff Keating
2001-11-19  7:28               ` Ira Ruben
2001-11-19 12:04                 ` Phil Edwards
2001-11-27 14:58                   ` Phil Edwards
2001-11-27 12:47                 ` Ira Ruben
2001-11-27 12:10               ` Geoff Keating
2001-11-19  7:50             ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 13:12               ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 10:53             ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes foraltivec) Ira Ruben
2001-11-19  6:26           ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-19  7:53             ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19  7:56               ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 13:21                 ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 13:13               ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 12:41             ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27  6:46           ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18 18:51         ` Per Bothner
2001-11-27  9:20           ` Per Bothner
2001-11-18 23:55         ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-19  4:18           ` Ira Ruben
2001-11-19  4:48             ` Per Bothner
2001-11-19  5:28               ` Daniel Berlin
2001-11-27 11:35                 ` Daniel Berlin
2001-11-19  6:26               ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-20  0:33                 ` Per Bothner
2001-11-20  3:16                   ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-20  6:33                     ` Per Bothner
2001-11-27 18:27                       ` Per Bothner
2001-11-20 11:05                     ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-27 18:35                       ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-27 18:06                     ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-20  3:19                   ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-20  5:25                     ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-27 18:24                       ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-20 11:27                     ` Per Bothner
2001-11-27 19:59                       ` Per Bothner
2001-11-20 11:37                     ` Mark Mitchell [this message]
2001-11-20 17:03                       ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-20 18:25                         ` Mark Mitchell
2001-11-28  9:45                           ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes foraltivec) Mark Mitchell
2001-11-28  7:11                         ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-20 19:20                       ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-20 20:24                         ` Mark Mitchell
2001-11-20 23:47                           ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for Joe Buck
2001-11-28 12:43                             ` Joe Buck
2001-11-28 11:31                           ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes foraltivec) Mark Mitchell
2001-11-20 20:27                         ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) Dale Johannesen
2001-11-20 20:38                           ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-21  4:47                             ` Syd Polk
2001-11-21 12:31                               ` Tim Hollebeek
2001-11-28 16:15                                 ` Tim Hollebeek
2001-11-28 14:12                               ` Syd Polk
2001-11-28 11:55                             ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-28 11:44                           ` Dale Johannesen
2001-11-28 11:19                         ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-27 20:40                       ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes foraltivec) Mark Mitchell
2001-11-27 18:09                     ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) Stan Shebs
2001-11-27 17:35                   ` Per Bothner
2001-11-27 12:34                 ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 11:16               ` Per Bothner
2001-11-27 10:47             ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes foraltivec) Ira Ruben
2001-11-19  6:19           ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-19  7:13             ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-19  7:34               ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-19  8:01                 ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-19  9:18                   ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19 11:23                     ` Dale Johannesen
2001-11-27 14:46                       ` Dale Johannesen
2001-11-27 13:56                     ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 13:27                   ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-27 12:57                 ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-19  7:56               ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-19  8:31                 ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 13:44                   ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-19 10:23                 ` Mark Mitchell
2001-11-19 11:55                   ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for Joe Buck
2001-11-19 14:03                     ` Mark Mitchell
2001-11-19 14:46                       ` Joe Buck
2001-11-27 16:13                         ` Joe Buck
2001-11-20  0:56                       ` Devang Patel
2001-11-27 17:37                         ` Devang Patel
2001-11-20  5:17                       ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-20 11:15                         ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-20 17:09                           ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-20 17:26                             ` Joe Buck
2001-11-20 17:57                               ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-20 19:16                                 ` Neil Booth
2001-11-20 21:10                                   ` Input Stream Rewriting (Was: Target-specific Front-Ends?) Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-21  0:24                                     ` Neil Booth
2001-11-21  1:05                                       ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-21  4:38                                         ` Neil Booth
2001-11-28 13:57                                           ` Neil Booth
2001-11-28 13:25                                         ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-28 12:45                                       ` Neil Booth
2001-11-28 12:01                                     ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-28 11:06                                   ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for Neil Booth
2001-11-28  9:16                                 ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-28  9:11                               ` Joe Buck
2001-11-20 20:53                             ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-20 22:08                               ` Joe Buck
2001-11-28 12:26                                 ` Joe Buck
2001-11-20 23:37                               ` Per Bothner
2001-11-21  3:14                                 ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-21 12:32                                   ` David Edelsohn
2001-11-21 12:44                                     ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-28 18:40                                       ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-28 18:29                                     ` David Edelsohn
2001-11-28 13:36                                   ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-28 12:36                                 ` Per Bothner
2001-11-28 11:55                               ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-28  7:33                             ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 19:40                           ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-20 19:17                         ` Devang Patel
2001-11-28 11:09                           ` Devang Patel
2001-11-27 18:21                         ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 15:32                       ` Mark Mitchell
2001-12-04  0:14                       ` Alex Rosenberg
2001-12-04  0:33                         ` Mark Mitchell
2001-12-04 11:25                         ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 14:53                     ` Joe Buck
2001-11-27 14:36                   ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes foraltivec) Mark Mitchell
2001-11-27 13:19                 ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 12:44               ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-19  8:34             ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19 12:54               ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-19 15:41                 ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19 19:08                   ` Dale Johannesen
2001-11-19 19:15                     ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 17:10                       ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 17:06                     ` Dale Johannesen
2001-11-27 16:56                   ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 15:06                 ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-27 13:44               ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19  9:26             ` Bernd Schmidt
2001-11-19  9:53               ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-19 10:59                 ` Bernd Schmidt
2001-11-19 14:12                   ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 15:37                     ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 14:41                   ` Bernd Schmidt
2001-11-27 14:30                 ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 14:13               ` Bernd Schmidt
2001-11-19  9:40             ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-19 11:27               ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 14:50                 ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 14:20               ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-27 12:24             ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27  9:48           ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-26 23:45         ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes foraltivec) Ira Ruben
2001-11-26 22:22       ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) Stan Shebs
2001-11-26 18:47     ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-26 15:45   ` front end changes for altivec Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-26  2:51 ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18  8:02 Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) mike stump
2001-11-26 19:52 ` mike stump
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2001-11-19 17:20     ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 16:58       ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-20  4:44 mike stump
2001-11-20 10:10 ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 18:28   ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 18:12 ` mike stump

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