From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7813 invoked by alias); 6 Dec 2001 20:04:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: Sender: gcc-owner@gcc.gnu.org Received: (qmail 7777 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 20:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fencepost.gnu.org) (199.232.76.164) by sources.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 20:04:53 -0000 Received: from runyon.cygnus.com ([205.180.230.5] helo=cygnus.com) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 16C4lJ-0007xl-00 for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 15:04:53 -0500 Received: from greed.delorie.com (cse.cygnus.com [205.180.230.236]) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA05996; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:04:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dj@localhost) by greed.delorie.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fB6K27Z32406; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 15:02:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:14:00 -0000 Message-Id: <200112062002.fB6K27Z32406@greed.delorie.com> From: DJ Delorie To: jade6@kolumbus.fi CC: gcc@gnu.org In-reply-to: <000801c17e8f$f06d42c0$da1e36d4@elisa.omakaista.fi> (jade6@kolumbus.fi) Subject: Re: installation References: <000801c17e8f$f06d42c0$da1e36d4@elisa.omakaista.fi> X-SW-Source: 2001-12/txt/msg00300.txt.bz2 > Why couldn't people simply do what Sun has done with Java: This is a volunteer effort. If *you* want something done, the best way to get it done is to do it yourself. Otherwise, we address problems that *we* think are important, and since most people don't have problems installing gcc, it's low in the priority list. > "Where can I find a normal command-line version of GCC which can be hooked > up with the Win API / MFC easily?" > > That is, no UNIX emulator crap, just standard MS-DOS. You are asking the impossible. MS-DOS does not have a Windows API. If you don't even understand the platform you're working on, don't expect to understand something as complex as development tools either. > As far as I know, DJGPP can't be used with the Win API very easily, Well, it is a *dos* compiler, not a *windows* compiler. If you want to use the Windows API, you should start with a Windows compiler, such as Cygwin (unix emulator, www.cygwin.com) or MinGW (no emulator, www.mingw.org). > and its documentation sucks bad, I'm insulted, especially since I've got a whole mailbox full of compliments from people who found DJGPP to be far easier to use than other (well, non-gcc) compilers, especially the comprehensive documentation and well laid out web site and FAQ. If you have *specific* complaints, let us know. Generalities like you give don't help anyone. > not to mention that the error messages are mostly useless Don't expect me to jump to fix them if you don't even say which error messages you're talking about. > and it seems kinda unstable anyway. Huh? Again, I've got a mailbox full of contrary opinions from DJGPP users. I mean, DJGPP is *so* stable that it takes us years to accumulate enough bug fixes to warrant a new release. How much more stability do you need? > Sorry about the tone, but this thing has been bothering me for a > long time. Why isn't something being done? It's been 3 decades. It has not been 3 decades. DJGPP alone is only 12 years old. Please get your information straight before you start blaming us for your problems.