From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14666 invoked by alias); 13 Dec 2001 19:36:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: Sender: gcc-owner@gcc.gnu.org Received: (qmail 14462 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 19:35:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fencepost.gnu.org) (199.232.76.164) by sources.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 19:35:31 -0000 Received: from jaj.com ([209.64.26.3] helo=disaster.jaj.com) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 16Ebdh-0003ee-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:35:30 -0500 Received: (from pedwards@localhost) by disaster.jaj.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14067; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:39:53 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:41:00 -0000 From: Phil Edwards To: Matthew Langford Cc: Gerald Pfeifer , gcc@gnu.org Subject: Re: http://gcc.gnu.org/mirrors.html Message-ID: <20011213143953.A14040@disaster.jaj.com> References: <20011212190100.A10665@disaster.jaj.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from langfml@eng.auburn.edu on Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 07:14:42PM -0600 X-SW-Source: 2001-12/txt/msg00712.txt.bz2 On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 07:14:42PM -0600, Matthew Langford wrote: > "They" was a reference to public sites mirroring GNU. They are already > listed on the GNU mirror web page. Ah, now I see what you're saying. Pronouns missing an antecedent are fun... Yes, there is not as much communication between the GNU sysadmins and us as could be hoped for. Mostly it's nothing more than a lack of time on the part of the volunteers at either end. No hoarding, no ivory-tower syndrome, just lack of time. If you'd like to contact the sysadmins of ftp.gnu.org and ask them whether the mirror list is up-to-date, and if it is, provide a patch to mirrors.html, that would be a good way to contribute. > > In a way it is: known mirror sites are allowed to bypass some (all?) of > > the connection limits on the FTP server. > > Maybe you are looking at things completely backward. Instead of guarding > the software, and worrying about who is coming in to steal the software > and rob your bandwidth, I'll ignore the rest of your flames and just explain this: gcc.gnu.org is extremely overloaded. For that reason anonymous FTP has been severely restricted (and I think it's been disallowed completely on some of the more popular projects). We're trying to move anonymous CVS access off onto another system also. It's not about "robbing bandwidth," it's about having some bandwidth left over so that the developers can actually check in code changes. :-) Right now CVS commits of multiple files can often get dropped partway through. That doesn't benefit /anyone/. Phil -- If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home and leave us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. - Samuel Adams