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From: Marc Espie <espie@quatramaran.ens.fr>
To: obrien@freebsd.org
Cc: gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: GCC 3.1 Release
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:06:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200204170000.g3H007D21211@quatramaran.ens.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020415171448.C1064@dragon.nuxi.com>

In article <20020415171448.C1064@dragon.nuxi.com> you write:
>I strongly feel the GCC SC needs to take a stronger look at following the
>FreeBSD (and now OpenBSD) model of treating the release branch as not
>cast in stone.  A lot more things could be merged from 3.2 to 3.1 than I
>know will be.  It just takes creating the culture where committers are
>socially pressured to "merge from maintain" their changes where safe.
>IMHO too many changes are labeled "unsafe to merge" just so no one has to
>think about or deal with the merge.

Huh? What you describe is not OpenBSD's model at all.

We don't have branches. We have current, and every six months, we 
slow down, we stop development, we stabilize things, and we get out
a new release. In fact, it's probably 5 months devel/1 month bug-fix,
on average.

This works because of a few things:
- attention to detail,
- no excessive paperwork and rules (you had better not make a change
in an area that you don't own),
- a chief who can arbitrate conflicts,
- not too many bugs in the first place.

All these points are important. There is also a perceived quality
of the result that `tweaks' the development process: more time is
spent in fixing bugs if the release strays from our quality standards.

As far as the stable branch goes, we only commit very, very few
careful patches to it, and we NEVER add functionality to an old release.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-04-17  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-04-12 18:51 Mark Mitchell
2002-04-13  2:21 ` Neil Booth
2002-04-13  7:50   ` Toon Moene
2002-04-13  8:40     ` Tim Prince
2002-04-13 23:07     ` Bryce McKinlay
2002-04-14 17:04       ` David Edelsohn
2002-04-15 17:19         ` David O'Brien
2002-04-15 18:02           ` David Edelsohn
2002-04-16 17:06           ` Marc Espie [this message]
2002-04-22 19:44       ` David O'Brien
2002-04-22 20:11         ` Bryce McKinlay
2002-04-23 11:04           ` David O'Brien
2002-04-23 16:15             ` Bryce McKinlay
2002-04-22 22:25         ` Kaveh R. Ghazi
2002-04-14  1:33     ` H . J . Lu
2002-04-16 17:00     ` Marc Espie
2002-04-17  2:08       ` Gerald Pfeifer
2002-05-17  5:42         ` Marc Espie
2002-05-17 16:19           ` Loren James Rittle
2002-05-17 17:07             ` David O'Brien
2002-05-17 17:08               ` Marc Espie
2002-04-13 13:18 ` Tom Tromey
2002-04-14  6:59   ` Jason Merrill
2002-04-14  7:25     ` Andreas Jaeger
2002-04-14  8:16       ` Jason Merrill
2002-04-15 10:56     ` Geoff Keating
2002-04-15 11:19       ` H . J . Lu
2002-04-16 15:16         ` mark
2002-04-16 15:23           ` H . J . Lu
2002-04-17  2:54             ` Andreas Schwab
2002-04-15 11:36       ` Andreas Jaeger
2002-04-15 11:37         ` Joe Buck
2002-04-15 13:13         ` Geoff Keating
2002-04-15 12:00 ` Andreas Jaeger
2002-04-15 12:01   ` Mark Mitchell
2002-04-15 12:13     ` Michael Matz
2002-04-15 12:22       ` Mark Mitchell
2002-04-15 14:52 ` Geoff Keating
2002-04-15 15:01   ` Mark Mitchell
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-05-05 11:37 Mark Mitchell
2002-05-05 15:00 ` Florian Weimer
2002-05-06  3:24   ` Andreas Schwab
2002-05-06  7:54     ` Mark Mitchell
2002-05-06  7:57       ` Andreas Schwab
2002-05-06 15:16         ` Mark Mitchell
2002-05-07  1:43           ` Andreas Schwab
2002-04-15 15:06 Richard Kenner
2002-04-14 10:34 Robert Dewar
2002-04-13 13:51 Robert Dewar
2002-04-03 23:20 John David Anglin
2002-04-03  2:38 Reichelt
2002-04-03 13:21 ` Mark Mitchell
2002-04-02 14:38 Mark Mitchell
2002-04-02 14:47 ` Tom Tromey
2002-04-03 15:06 ` Phil Edwards
2002-04-03 16:08   ` Joe Buck
2002-04-03 17:57     ` Phil Edwards
2002-04-04 10:17     ` Mark Mitchell
2002-04-09  9:48       ` Joe Buck
2002-04-09 10:44         ` Benjamin Kosnik
2002-04-09 11:35         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-04-10  2:37         ` Mark Mitchell
2002-04-10  7:59           ` Joe Buck
2002-04-10  8:17             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-04-10  8:22               ` Joe Buck
2002-04-10 10:14             ` Mark Mitchell
2002-04-10 11:39               ` Benjamin Kosnik
2002-04-10 11:47                 ` Paolo Carlini
     [not found]                   ` <flwuvfqrme.fsf@jambon.cmla.ens-cachan.fr>
2002-04-12  5:12                     ` Paolo Carlini
2002-04-10 13:01                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-04-11  6:02                         ` Joe Buck
2002-04-11 14:58                           ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-04-15 17:51               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-04-15 19:36                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-04-15 19:43                 ` Mark Mitchell
2002-04-15 20:03                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-04-06  7:47 ` Jason Merrill
2002-04-10 10:17 ` Janis Johnson
2002-04-10 10:24   ` Mark Mitchell
2002-04-10 10:35   ` Christian Jönsson

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