From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20254 invoked by alias); 8 Dec 2002 09:56:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: Sender: gcc-owner@gcc.gnu.org Received: (qmail 20247 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 09:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fencepost.gnu.org) (199.232.76.164) by sources.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 09:56:37 -0000 Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KyAv-0008L9-00 for gcc@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 04:56:37 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18KyAg-0002FO-00 for gcc@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 04:56:23 -0500 Received: from emf.emf.net ([205.149.0.20] helo=emf.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18KyAf-0002FI-00 for gcc@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 04:56:21 -0500 Received: (from lord@localhost) by emf.net (K/K) id BAA06732; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 01:56:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 02:24:00 -0000 From: Tom Lord Message-Id: <200212080956.BAA06732@emf.net> To: dewar@gnat.com CC: gcc@gnu.org In-reply-to: <20021208092610.52592F2DE7@nile.gnat.com> (dewar@gnat.com) Subject: Re: on reputation and lines and putting things places (Re: gcc branches?) References: <20021208092610.52592F2DE7@nile.gnat.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05 version=2.41 X-Spam-Level: X-SW-Source: 2002-12/txt/msg00413.txt.bz2 Positivity: (first I will put on my hat as president of a corporation devoted to the use of Free Software). Is "second" your hacker/engineer hat? That's the guy I want to talk with. When you start asking questions about patch set formats and their implications in context, then I'll know you are on the right track. When you start asking questions about global namespaces for revisions (changesets), by then we'll be getting along famously. When you start asking about how to automate various aspects of the GCC process in an arch-based framework, I'll [censored] and send you to heaven. Pointed vitriol: This has things upside down. We do things because of input from our customers. Hmm. Too bad its _so_ unfashionable to talk about engineering ethics -- otherwise I'd be able to flame you for that comment in the manner it deserves without having to endure lots of stupid replies. Customers are hyper-super-double-plus-ultimate-thats-why-we-are-here important, but their demands do not trump fundamentals. Our relationship with customers must be a two-way street. P.S. The idea that R&D does not get cut back during a recession is at best wishful thinking Not from what I have read. But I am afraid we are not about to pay Yeah, but, you're comparitively dinky anyway, right? I don't mean that as an insult. You're a successful but relatively tiny corp? If so, I'm not talking to you (while you're wearing that hat). I do hope to make your life better as a side effect, though -- and to help others succeed at similar scales. Hurray for human-scale corps! You go girl (flippency aside: tiny corps are really cool, if you ask me). IBM, HP/C -- even all the way down to RHAT .... corps at that scale can afford this. It's even very far from a large line-item for them. "If a thing is worth doing...", -t