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From: Nathanael Nerode <neroden@twcny.rr.com>
To: gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: source mgt. requirements solicitation
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:29:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021216020850.GA595@doctormoo> (raw)

Linus said:
>Naah. It's simple - kernels are just sexier.
That I believe. :-)

>Seriously, I think it's just that a kernel tends to have more different
>_kinds_ of problems, and thus tend to attract different kinds of 
>people, and more of them.
I really don't think so.  A kernel has more easy problems, in a 
certain sense: more problems that can be started by people with little 
background.  A compiler has *lots* of different types of problems, but 
they're almost all rather complicated and hard to start on, for a reason 
I mention at the end of this.

>people who are interested in one of them. So you'll find people who 
>care about filesystems, 
We got that in compilers...

>or people who care about memory management, or 
We got that...

>people who find it interesting to do concurrency work
We got that...

>or IO paths.
We got that...

Heh.  I think the real reason why fewer people work on compilers is 
one of abstraction.  To oversimplify, a kernel just *does* things.  
A compiler is one level more abstract; it takes input and converts it 
into code which does things.  It takes some practice to get comfortable 
with, and good at, that style of coding, and it's significantly harder 
to debug.  While I'm sure there's some kernel code like that, *most* 
compiler code is like this.  Given GCC's design, we even have two 
levels of abstraction: the build system compiles and runs programs 
to generate a compiler for a specific host-target pair.  This is code 
to generate code to generate code.

--Nathanael

             reply	other threads:[~2002-12-16  2:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-12-15 18:29 Nathanael Nerode [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-12-18 17:33 Robert Dewar
2002-12-18  9:58 Robert Dewar
2002-12-18  9:35 Robert Dewar
2002-12-18  9:22 Robert Dewar
2002-12-18  9:07 Robert Dewar
2002-12-18  9:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18 10:11   ` Phil Edwards
2002-12-18  9:06 Robert Dewar
2002-12-14 20:16 Nathanael Nerode
2002-12-14 21:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-12  6:43 Robert Dewar
2002-12-08  7:13 on reputation and lines and putting things places (Re: gcc branches?) Robert Dewar
2002-12-08 14:18 ` source mgt. requirements solicitation Tom Lord
2002-12-08 14:56   ` DJ Delorie
2002-12-08 15:02     ` David S. Miller
2002-12-08 15:45       ` Bruce Stephens
2002-12-08 16:52         ` David S. Miller
2002-12-08 15:11     ` Bruce Stephens
2002-12-08 16:24       ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-12-08 16:47         ` Tom Lord
2002-12-08 22:20           ` Craig Rodrigues
2002-12-08 16:09   ` Phil Edwards
2002-12-08 19:13     ` Zack Weinberg
2002-12-09 10:33       ` Phil Edwards
2002-12-09 11:06       ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-12-09  9:42         ` Zack Weinberg
2002-12-09 11:00           ` Jack Lloyd
2002-12-09 15:10     ` Walter Landry
2002-12-09 15:27       ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-12-09 17:05         ` Walter Landry
2002-12-09 17:10           ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-12-09 18:27             ` Walter Landry
2002-12-09 19:16               ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-12-10  0:27                 ` Zack Weinberg
2002-12-10  0:41                   ` Tom Lord
2002-12-10 12:05                   ` Phil Edwards
2002-12-10 19:44                   ` Mark Mielke
2002-12-10 19:57                     ` David S. Miller
2002-12-10 20:02                       ` Phil Edwards
2002-12-10 23:07                         ` David S. Miller
2002-12-11  6:31                           ` Phil Edwards
2002-12-14 13:43                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-14 14:06                     ` Tom Lord
2002-12-14 17:44                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-14 19:45                         ` Tom Lord
2002-12-14 14:41                     ` Neil Booth
2002-12-14 15:47                       ` Zack Weinberg
2002-12-14 15:33                     ` Momchil Velikov
2002-12-14 16:06                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-15  3:59                         ` Momchil Velikov
2002-12-15  8:26                         ` Momchil Velikov
2002-12-15 12:02                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-15 14:16                             ` Momchil Velikov
2002-12-15 15:20                               ` Pop Sébastian
2002-12-15 16:09                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-15 16:49                                   ` Bruce Stephens
2002-12-15 16:59                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-15 18:10                                       ` Bruce Stephens
2002-12-16  8:32                                       ` Diego Novillo
2002-12-17  3:36                                         ` Pop Sébastian
2002-12-17 13:14                                           ` Tom Lord
2002-12-16 17:22                                   ` Mike Stump
2002-12-15 17:09                         ` Stan Shebs
2002-12-09 17:50           ` Zack Weinberg
2002-12-11  1:11         ` Branko Čibej
2002-12-08 18:32   ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-12-11  2:48     ` Branko Čibej

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