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From: Michel LESPINASSE <walken@zoy.org>
To: Joe Buck <jbuck@synopsys.com>
Cc: Tom Lord <lord@emf.net>, mstump@apple.com, gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: GCC 3.3, GCC 3.4
Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 01:49:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030201014947.GA6405@zoy.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030131172838.A25805@synopsys.com>

On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 05:28:39PM -0800, Joe Buck wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 03:11:56PM -0800, Tom Lord wrote:
> > Please see my reply to Kenner and Mark on the subject of better
> > alternatives.  
> 
> Claims that an alternative is better need to be backed up.  If your
> "continuous release management" scheme is better, please point to
> a sizable free software project that uses it.  If you cannot, then
> it may not be socially responsible to risk GCC for the sake of your
> experiment.

What Tom is arguing for reminds me a lot of what debian is doing with
its testing distribution. Their goal here is to always maintain one
software tree (testing in their case) in a close-to-releaseable
state. From what I understand, they're also pushing more in that
direction as time goes, for example there is an effort to keep the
boot-floppies up to date so they can install testing at any time,
rather than just rushing to make them work before a supposed release
date. As far as I can tell, this has been a very good model for Debian
since they adopted it. I understand it might be harder to adopt for
the GCC project, and in particular harder to automate, since there you
can not reason in terms of packages to move, but rather in terms of
branches to merge, which needs to be a manual operation.

Cheers,

-- 
Michel "Walken" LESPINASSE
Is this the best that god can do ? Then I'm not impressed.

  reply	other threads:[~2003-02-01  1:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-01-31  0:37 Benjamin Kosnik
2003-01-31  0:52 ` Zack Weinberg
2003-01-31  1:16   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-01-31  1:34     ` Zack Weinberg
2003-01-31 17:53       ` Mark Mitchell
2003-01-31  1:14 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-01-31  1:25   ` Benjamin Kosnik
2003-01-31  1:27 ` Gerald Pfeifer
2003-01-31  1:52   ` Benjamin Kosnik
2003-01-31 20:59   ` Joe Buck
2003-01-31 22:44     ` Tom Tromey
2003-01-31  6:09 ` Joe Buck
2003-01-31  7:39   ` Zack Weinberg
2003-01-31 20:43   ` Geoff Keating
     [not found]   ` <200301312127.QAA22861@caip.rutgers.edu>
     [not found]     ` <jmy9516lsd.fsf@desire.geoffk.org>
2003-02-01  4:32       ` Kaveh R. Ghazi
2003-01-31 11:52 ` Tom Lord
2003-01-31 20:52   ` Joe Buck
     [not found]     ` <200301312311.PAA15835@emf.net>
2003-02-01  1:28       ` Joe Buck
2003-02-01  1:49         ` Michel LESPINASSE [this message]
2003-01-31 21:07   ` Mike Stump
2003-01-31 13:50 ` Joseph S. Myers
2003-01-31 18:02   ` Mark Mitchell
2003-01-31 19:05     ` Devang Patel
2003-01-31 20:05       ` Mark Mitchell
2003-01-31 20:37         ` Graham Stott
2003-01-31 20:57         ` Devang Patel
2003-01-31 21:35           ` Tom Tromey
2003-01-31 21:02       ` Joseph S. Myers
2003-01-31 21:13         ` Joel Sherrill
2003-01-31 21:21         ` Devang Patel
2003-01-31 22:59           ` Joel Sherrill
2003-01-31 23:42             ` Devang Patel
2003-01-31 19:44     ` Matt Austern
2003-01-31 20:23       ` Mark Mitchell
2003-02-01  0:21         ` Michael Matz
2003-02-01  3:18           ` David Edelsohn
2003-01-31 20:31     ` Richard Henderson
2003-01-31 22:59     ` Andreas Jaeger
2003-01-31 23:12   ` Phil Edwards
     [not found] <1044318563.708.247.camel@steven>
2003-02-04  1:13 ` Scott Robert Ladd
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-02-04  0:31 Steven Bosscher
     [not found] <200301312121.QAA22864@makai.watson.ibm.com>
2003-02-03 20:44 ` Tom Tromey
2003-02-03 21:02   ` Benjamin Kosnik
2003-02-03 21:10     ` Mark Mitchell
2003-02-03 21:31       ` David Edelsohn
2003-02-03 21:53         ` Mark Mitchell
2003-02-03 22:16           ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-03 22:30             ` Jack Lloyd
2003-02-04  1:21               ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-03 22:03         ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-03 21:45       ` Benjamin Kosnik
2003-02-03 21:56         ` Mark Mitchell
2003-02-03 22:34       ` Tom Tromey
2003-02-03 23:03         ` David Edelsohn
2003-02-03 21:17     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-02-03 21:29       ` Mark Mitchell
2003-02-03 21:41         ` David Edelsohn
2003-02-03 21:42         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
     [not found] <1043976898.27601.ezmlm@gcc.gnu.org>
2003-02-03 19:50 ` Tim Josling
2003-02-03 21:54   ` Devang Patel
2003-02-03 22:32     ` Geoff Keating
2003-02-04 20:17     ` Tim Josling
2003-02-04 20:47       ` Matt Austern
2003-02-06 19:26         ` Tim Josling
2003-02-04  0:05   ` Tim Hollebeek
2003-02-04 20:07     ` Tim Josling
2003-02-04  2:03   ` Richard Henderson
2003-02-04  2:26     ` Zack Weinberg
2003-02-04  4:14     ` Daniel Berlin
2003-02-02  6:17 Brad Lucier
     [not found] <20030131165429.32d4d907.bkoz@redhat.com>
2003-02-01  1:32 ` Mark Mitchell
2003-02-01  1:43   ` Jan Hubicka
     [not found] <200301312258.OAA14911@emf.net>
2003-02-01  0:00 ` Mike Stump
2003-01-31 16:29 Richard Kenner
2003-01-31  5:15 Wolfgang Bangerth
2003-01-31 10:39 ` Mike Stump
2003-01-31 17:54   ` Wolfgang Bangerth
2003-01-30 23:53 Karel Gardas
2003-01-31  0:13 ` Mike Stump
2003-01-30 20:00 Benjamin Kosnik
2003-01-30 21:29 ` Mark Mitchell
2003-01-30 21:42   ` Mike Stump
2003-01-31 13:31     ` Nathan Sidwell
2003-01-30 22:15 ` Joseph S. Myers
2003-01-30 22:56 ` Neil Booth
2003-01-30 22:58   ` Michael S. Zick
2003-01-30 23:22     ` Michael Matz
2003-01-30 23:25       ` Michael S. Zick
2003-01-31 11:16       ` Bernd Jendrissek
2003-01-30 23:55   ` Mike Stump
2003-01-31  0:11     ` Paolo Carlini
2003-01-31  0:15     ` Neil Booth
2003-01-31  0:29       ` Phil Edwards
2003-01-31  0:30         ` Neil Booth
2003-01-31  2:08           ` Mike Stump
2003-01-31 16:01             ` Michael S. Zick
2003-01-31  0:41       ` Mike Stump
2003-01-31  0:17     ` Benjamin Kosnik
2003-01-31  0:21       ` Neil Booth
2003-01-31  0:25         ` Matt Austern
2003-01-31  1:10           ` Benjamin Kosnik
2003-01-31  1:22             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-01-31  1:55         ` Mike Stump
2003-01-31  1:54       ` Mike Stump
2003-01-31  2:40       ` Geoff Keating
2003-01-31 12:54         ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-01-31 20:22           ` Geoff Keating
2003-01-30 11:22 Mark Mitchell
2003-01-30 19:07 ` Mike Stump
2003-01-30 19:58   ` Mark Mitchell
2003-01-30 20:15     ` Mike Stump
2003-01-30 20:59       ` Mark Mitchell
2003-01-30 19:20 ` Matt Austern
2003-01-30 19:52   ` Mark Mitchell
2003-01-30 20:11     ` David Edelsohn

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