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From: Richard Earnshaw <rearnsha@arm.com>
To: Gabriel Dos Reis <gdr@integrable-solutions.net>
Cc: Richard.Earnshaw@arm.com,
	Karel Gardas <kgardas@objectsecurity.com>,
	Alexandre Oliva <aoliva@redhat.com>,
	Richard Guenther <rguenth@tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de>,
	gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: std::pow implementation
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:11:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200307301401.h6UE1oN19727@pc960.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "30 Jul 2003 15:49:19 +0200." <m38yqg5dls.fsf@uniton.integrable-solutions.net>

> | Profiling doesn't help if the answer comes back as "sometimes" (function 
> | foo's use of bar is best inlined, function wibble's use of bar is best not 
> | inlined).
> 
> The cases where it most does not help is when the compiler decides it
> knows better and goes on using his own programmed logic.

You've lost me... If the compiler can decide that not inlining things is 
better, how does that differ from what we have now?

> | > | With Gaby's suggested interpretation, the compiler has *no* choice; it 
> | > | must obey the inlining constraint because the programmer always knows 
> | > | better...  Even when prepared to admit that he doesn't.
> | > 
> | > That assertion is wrong.
> | 
> | Which bit of it?  It's what I understand you to be suggesting.
> 
> As I've repeatedly said, there are pathological cases where the
> compiler simply cannot inline.  Secondly, I'm saying that the
> compiler does not always know better than the programmer.  And in fact,
> the programmer most of the time declares "inline" on purpose.  
> 
> Transmuting the meaning of "inline" is creating more fear, uncertainty
> and doubt than we needed.

Suggesting that a programmer must only use inline when they are convinced 
that better code will always result (ie that using inline when it may only 
sometimes produce better code is "dangerous") sounds even more like 
spreading FUD to me.  You're going to get people saying "Never use inline, 
it can make your code worse".

R.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-07-30 14:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 214+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-07-29 11:57 Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 12:10 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 12:10   ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 12:14     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 12:25       ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 12:38         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 12:44           ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 12:49             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30  5:18               ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-30  5:26                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30  6:57                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-30 10:11                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 11:58                       ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-07-30 12:11                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 12:13                           ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 12:23                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 12:31                               ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 12:47                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 13:06                                   ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 13:22                                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 12:42                               ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 12:46                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 13:01                                   ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 13:26                                     ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 13:38                                       ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 13:49                                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 13:19                           ` Karel Gardas
2003-07-30 13:24                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 13:41                             ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-07-30 13:51                               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 13:51                                 ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-07-30 13:59                                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 14:08                                     ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 14:19                                       ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 14:24                                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 14:48                                         ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 14:55                                           ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 15:29                                             ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-31  0:30                                       ` Richard B. Kreckel
2003-07-30 14:11                                     ` Richard Earnshaw [this message]
2003-07-30 14:26                                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 16:25                                   ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-30 13:59                                 ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 14:01                                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 15:45                         ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-30 16:50                           ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-07-30 16:57                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 17:42                               ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-07-30 18:06                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 17:02                             ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-30 19:31                             ` tm_gccmail
2003-07-30 17:32                         ` Joe Buck
2003-07-30  6:13               ` gcc do not consider the head file change when compiling??? Mojx
2003-07-30 12:09                 ` Gerald Pfeifer
2003-07-30 18:20                 ` Zack Weinberg
2003-07-29 12:53           ` std::pow implementation Steven Bosscher
2003-07-29 12:53             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 12:58               ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 12:59                 ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-29 13:05                   ` Paolo Carlini
2003-07-29 13:22                     ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 13:36                       ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-29 14:14                         ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 14:22                         ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 13:00                 ` Andrew Pinski
2003-07-29 13:28                   ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 13:59                     ` Andrew Pinski
2003-07-29 14:17                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 13:14                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 13:14               ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-29 14:08                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 14:24                   ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-29 14:24                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 14:31                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 14:40                       ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-29 15:11                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 15:37                           ` Michael Matz
2003-07-29 15:59                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 15:59                               ` Michael Matz
2003-07-29 16:05                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 16:20                                   ` Rob Taylor
2003-07-29 14:36                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 15:24                       ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 16:30                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 18:35                           ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 14:51                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 15:33                       ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30  5:24                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-30  5:33                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30  6:38                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-30 10:32                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 10:33                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-30 10:46                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 11:57                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-30 12:20                                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 15:50                                     ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-30 15:53                                       ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 15:53                                         ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 16:01                                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 16:09                                           ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 16:39                                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 16:17                                           ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 16:24                                             ` Steven Bosscher
2003-08-04 16:55                                     ` Bernd Schmidt
2003-08-04 17:08                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-30 10:37                               ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 11:31                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 15:44                               ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-30 17:10                                 ` Joe Buck
2003-07-30 17:32                                   ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 18:22                                     ` Daniel Berlin
2003-07-30 19:08                                       ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 19:12                                         ` Daniel Berlin
2003-07-30 17:06                           ` Joe Buck
2003-07-30 17:26                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 19:58   ` Neil Booth
2003-07-29 20:14     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 20:33       ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 20:49         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 12:55 Stephan T. Lavavej
2003-07-30 12:59 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 13:13 Martin Reinecke
2003-07-30 13:30 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 13:40   ` Martin Reinecke
2003-07-30 13:46     ` Andrew Pinski
2003-07-30 13:47       ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 14:32         ` Martin Reinecke
2003-07-30 13:53     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 14:14       ` Martin Reinecke
2003-07-30 14:33         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 15:27           ` Martin Reinecke
2003-07-30 15:42             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 17:38               ` Martin Reinecke
2003-08-04 12:55           ` Theodore Papadopoulo
2003-08-04 13:11             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 14:32               ` Theodore Papadopoulo
2003-08-04 14:50                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 14:58                   ` Daniel Berlin
2003-07-30 15:56 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-30 16:16   ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 16:47     ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-30 13:25 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 13:52 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 14:02 ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 13:56 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 14:04 ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 14:08 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-31  2:10   ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-31  2:46     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-31  6:49       ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-31  7:58         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-31  8:14         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 14:04 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 14:10 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 14:05 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 14:14 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 14:11 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 14:29 ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 14:18 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 14:31 ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-07-30 14:36 ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 14:21 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 14:44 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 14:51   ` Paolo Carlini
2003-07-30 16:59     ` Joe Buck
2003-07-30 17:35       ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-07-30 14:25 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 14:49 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 16:06 Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 16:37 ` Martin Reinecke
2003-07-30 16:08 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 16:36 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 16:49 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 16:55 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-30 19:21 ` Felix Lee
2003-07-30 21:49 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 22:28 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 22:49 Robert Dewar
2003-07-31 10:19 Martin Reinecke
2003-07-31 10:38 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-31 10:54 Richard Guenther
2003-07-31 11:08 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-31 11:31 ` Rob Taylor
2003-07-31 14:13   ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-31 14:44     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-31 17:24     ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-31 18:45       ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-31 11:50 Robert Dewar
2003-07-31 12:05 Robert Dewar
2003-07-31 13:00 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 17:03 Robert Dewar
2003-08-04 17:23 ` Joe Buck
2003-08-04 18:05   ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-08-04 18:15     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 19:00     ` Bernd Schmidt
2003-08-04 19:12       ` Richard Guenther
2003-08-04 17:33 Robert Dewar
2003-08-04 17:36 ` Joe Buck
2003-08-04 17:38 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 22:28 ` Mark Hahn
2003-08-04 22:49   ` tm_gccmail
2003-08-04 17:43 Robert Dewar
2003-08-04 17:53 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 17:48 Robert Dewar
2003-08-04 17:57 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 18:14   ` Joe Buck
2003-08-04 18:08 Robert Dewar
2003-08-04 18:17 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 18:21 Robert Dewar
2003-08-04 18:22 Robert Dewar
2003-08-04 18:29 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 18:42 Robert Dewar
2003-08-04 18:46 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 22:57 Robert Dewar

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