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From: Richard Earnshaw <rearnsha@arm.com>
To: Scott Robert Ladd <coyote@coyotegulch.com>
Cc: Richard.Earnshaw@arm.com,
	Gabriel Dos Reis <gdr@integrable-solutions.net>,
	Alexandre Oliva <aoliva@redhat.com>,
	Richard Guenther <rguenth@tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de>,
	gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: std::pow implementation
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:50:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200307301629.h6UGTBk21027@pc960.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:26:10 EDT." <3F27E392.2080504@coyotegulch.com>

> Richard Earnshaw wrote:
> > This is talking specifically about *very small* functions ("one or two 
> > assignments").  It says nothing about what happens if the programmer 
> > decides to put a 2000 line monstrosity in the middle of a class definition 
> > (which would be legal, if somewhat stupid).  A practical compiler 
> > eventually has to say "enough is enough", or it is likely to crash, run 
> > out of memory or whatever.
> 
> I do not want my freedom limited by the stupidity of others. If someone 
> explicitly inlines a 2000-line function, let them; the wisdom of such a 
> choice (or lack thereof) is an issue for code review and the marketplace.
> 
> Let's say that I use a little shell sort in a program; should the 
> compiler decide to replace my explicit choice of algorithm with 
> quicksort, even though I have determined that shell sort is better?
> 
> When I say "inline", I mean inline, regardless of other opinions 
> (including those of the compiler).

Really? And when you say "register" do you really mean that?  If so, then 
I'm sorry, but you are in for a big disappointment when using gcc -- it 
completely ignores the register keyword when optimizing and has done since 
~forever.

> 
> > I disagree.  What really counts is that the compiler has sufficient 
> > information to do a good job when compiling the code (ie to reduce, and 
> > hopefully eliminate, the abstraction penalty).  What constitutes a "good 
> > job" is up to the compiler...
> 
> No.
> 
> What constitutes a "good job" is defined by a human mind, not a piece of 
> technology that lacks any concept of "good." Over the years, I've found 
> many arrogant tools (and not just from Microsoft) -- tools that assume, 
> *incorrectly*, that their "wisdom" exceeds mine.
> 

I've already given examples of when the compiler can make use of context 
to give better inlining than can be determined statically.  Your 
"arrogant" assertion that inline must always and unconditionally mean 
inline impliess that programmers can never take advantage of those cases.

R.


  reply	other threads:[~2003-07-30 16:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 214+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-07-29 11:57 Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 12:10 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 12:10   ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 12:14     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 12:25       ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 12:38         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 12:44           ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 12:49             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30  5:18               ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-30  5:26                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30  6:57                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-30 10:11                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 11:58                       ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-07-30 12:11                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 12:13                           ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 12:23                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 12:31                               ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 12:47                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 13:06                                   ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 13:22                                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 12:42                               ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 12:46                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 13:01                                   ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 13:26                                     ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 13:38                                       ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 13:49                                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 13:19                           ` Karel Gardas
2003-07-30 13:24                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 13:41                             ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-07-30 13:51                               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 13:51                                 ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-07-30 13:59                                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 14:08                                     ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 14:19                                       ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 14:24                                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 14:48                                         ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 14:55                                           ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 15:29                                             ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-31  0:30                                       ` Richard B. Kreckel
2003-07-30 14:11                                     ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-07-30 14:26                                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 16:25                                   ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-30 13:59                                 ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 14:01                                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 15:45                         ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-30 16:50                           ` Richard Earnshaw [this message]
2003-07-30 16:57                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 17:42                               ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-07-30 18:06                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 17:02                             ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-30 19:31                             ` tm_gccmail
2003-07-30 17:32                         ` Joe Buck
2003-07-30  6:13               ` gcc do not consider the head file change when compiling??? Mojx
2003-07-30 12:09                 ` Gerald Pfeifer
2003-07-30 18:20                 ` Zack Weinberg
2003-07-29 12:53           ` std::pow implementation Steven Bosscher
2003-07-29 12:53             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 12:58               ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 12:59                 ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-29 13:05                   ` Paolo Carlini
2003-07-29 13:22                     ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 13:36                       ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-29 14:14                         ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 14:22                         ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 13:00                 ` Andrew Pinski
2003-07-29 13:28                   ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 13:59                     ` Andrew Pinski
2003-07-29 14:17                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 13:14                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 13:14               ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-29 14:08                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 14:24                   ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-29 14:24                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 14:31                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 14:40                       ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-29 15:11                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 15:37                           ` Michael Matz
2003-07-29 15:59                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 15:59                               ` Michael Matz
2003-07-29 16:05                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 16:20                                   ` Rob Taylor
2003-07-29 14:36                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 15:24                       ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 16:30                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 18:35                           ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 14:51                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 15:33                       ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30  5:24                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-30  5:33                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30  6:38                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-30 10:32                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 10:33                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-30 10:46                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 11:57                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-30 12:20                                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 15:50                                     ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-30 15:53                                       ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 15:53                                         ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 16:01                                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 16:09                                           ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 16:39                                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 16:17                                           ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 16:24                                             ` Steven Bosscher
2003-08-04 16:55                                     ` Bernd Schmidt
2003-08-04 17:08                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-30 10:37                               ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 11:31                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 15:44                               ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-30 17:10                                 ` Joe Buck
2003-07-30 17:32                                   ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 18:22                                     ` Daniel Berlin
2003-07-30 19:08                                       ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 19:12                                         ` Daniel Berlin
2003-07-30 17:06                           ` Joe Buck
2003-07-30 17:26                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 19:58   ` Neil Booth
2003-07-29 20:14     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 20:33       ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 20:49         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 12:55 Stephan T. Lavavej
2003-07-30 12:59 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 13:13 Martin Reinecke
2003-07-30 13:30 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 13:40   ` Martin Reinecke
2003-07-30 13:46     ` Andrew Pinski
2003-07-30 13:47       ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 14:32         ` Martin Reinecke
2003-07-30 13:53     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 14:14       ` Martin Reinecke
2003-07-30 14:33         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 15:27           ` Martin Reinecke
2003-07-30 15:42             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 17:38               ` Martin Reinecke
2003-08-04 12:55           ` Theodore Papadopoulo
2003-08-04 13:11             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 14:32               ` Theodore Papadopoulo
2003-08-04 14:50                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 14:58                   ` Daniel Berlin
2003-07-30 15:56 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-30 16:16   ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 16:47     ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-30 13:25 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 13:52 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 14:02 ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 13:56 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 14:04 ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 14:08 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-31  2:10   ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-31  2:46     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-31  6:49       ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-31  7:58         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-31  8:14         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 14:04 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 14:10 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 14:05 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 14:14 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 14:11 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 14:29 ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 14:18 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 14:31 ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-07-30 14:36 ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 14:21 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 14:44 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 14:51   ` Paolo Carlini
2003-07-30 16:59     ` Joe Buck
2003-07-30 17:35       ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-07-30 14:25 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 14:49 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 16:06 Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 16:37 ` Martin Reinecke
2003-07-30 16:08 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 16:36 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 16:49 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 16:55 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-30 19:21 ` Felix Lee
2003-07-30 21:49 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 22:28 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 22:49 Robert Dewar
2003-07-31 10:19 Martin Reinecke
2003-07-31 10:38 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-31 10:54 Richard Guenther
2003-07-31 11:08 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-31 11:31 ` Rob Taylor
2003-07-31 14:13   ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-31 14:44     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-31 17:24     ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-31 18:45       ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-31 11:50 Robert Dewar
2003-07-31 12:05 Robert Dewar
2003-07-31 13:00 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 17:03 Robert Dewar
2003-08-04 17:23 ` Joe Buck
2003-08-04 18:05   ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-08-04 18:15     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 19:00     ` Bernd Schmidt
2003-08-04 19:12       ` Richard Guenther
2003-08-04 17:33 Robert Dewar
2003-08-04 17:36 ` Joe Buck
2003-08-04 17:38 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 22:28 ` Mark Hahn
2003-08-04 22:49   ` tm_gccmail
2003-08-04 17:43 Robert Dewar
2003-08-04 17:53 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 17:48 Robert Dewar
2003-08-04 17:57 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 18:14   ` Joe Buck
2003-08-04 18:08 Robert Dewar
2003-08-04 18:17 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 18:21 Robert Dewar
2003-08-04 18:22 Robert Dewar
2003-08-04 18:29 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 18:42 Robert Dewar
2003-08-04 18:46 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 22:57 Robert Dewar

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