From: Daniel Jacobowitz <drow@mvista.com>
To: gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:46:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040113004553.GA23498@nevyn.them.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040112162850.A3834@synopsys.com>
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 04:28:50PM -0800, Joe Buck wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 07:05:54PM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> > "Same high quality"? I know you're aware of them, but you might want
> > to revisit the reasons that _no vendor_ I know of in several years has
> > shipped an FSF released compiler.
>
> For this message I'm taking off the SC hat and putting on the corporate user
> hat.
>
> My employer uses FSF-released compilers in preference to those
> vendor-hacked compilers to develop its commericial products. That's
> because we can't have one GCC compiler for GNU/Linux and another one with
> a different set of bugs for Solaris, and because we usually need a newer
> compiler and an older OS version.
That's a good reason I hadn't considered.
> > Even Debian, which is chronically
> > short of the talented manpower required for compiler development, ships
> > fifteen hundred lines of GCC patches plus a bleeding edge 3.3-cvs
> > snapshot last I checked.
>
> That's inaccurate in several respects. First, Debian has not shipped
> yet; you are describing what is in their testing branch. Second, most of
> the 1500 lines do not touch the gcc source itself, but create the
> Debian-specific files for their packaging system. AFAIK, Debian is
> assuming that their 3.3-cvs compiler will correspond to 3.3.3 by the
> time sarge is shipped. By doing what they are doing, the Debian people
> are finding bugs in 3.3.x that no one else is finding (thanks to their
> ports to platforms that would otherwise get little use).
No, that's incorrect on a few counts:
- The last Debian release did the same thing. Of course, that was
the 2.95 branch.
- If history is any judge, Debian will end up staying with some
particular branch snapshot based on when every other piece of the
Debian release comes together. There's only minor preference towards
release tarballs and at this date I don't think another bump is likely
before sarge.
- I was only counting the patches to the source. There's another
fifteen _thousand_ lines of assorted documentation and packaging.
--
Daniel Jacobowitz
MontaVista Software Debian GNU/Linux Developer
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Thread overview: 185+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-01-10 0:11 Geoffrey Keating
2004-01-10 0:25 ` Phil Edwards
2004-01-10 0:47 ` Geoffrey Keating
2004-01-10 15:41 ` Phil Edwards
2004-01-12 18:47 ` Geoffrey Keating
2004-01-12 19:22 ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-12 23:42 ` Geoff Keating
2004-01-12 23:48 ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-12 23:49 ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-13 0:06 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-13 0:16 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-13 0:22 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-13 19:48 ` Gerald Pfeifer
2004-01-13 0:28 ` Joe Buck
2004-01-13 0:46 ` Daniel Jacobowitz [this message]
2004-01-13 1:13 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-13 0:11 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-01-13 0:15 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-13 0:23 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-01-13 0:37 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-13 0:45 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-13 0:55 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-01-13 0:54 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-01-13 1:01 ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-13 1:16 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-01-13 1:26 ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-13 1:33 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-13 1:19 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-13 0:47 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-13 0:59 ` Altivec (Re: gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal) Matt Austern
2004-01-13 0:16 ` gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal Mark Mitchell
2004-01-13 0:54 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-13 21:31 ` Geoff Keating
2004-01-13 22:41 ` David Edelsohn
2004-01-13 23:13 ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-13 23:24 ` Paul Koning
2004-01-14 0:01 ` Geoff Keating
2004-01-14 0:26 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-14 8:35 ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-14 14:58 ` Paul Koning
2004-01-13 23:29 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-14 0:47 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-14 1:05 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-14 1:36 ` Joe Buck
2004-01-14 19:47 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-13 23:51 ` Eric Christopher
2004-01-13 23:53 ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-14 6:13 ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-14 8:39 ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-14 8:48 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-14 20:59 ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-14 21:02 ` Andrew Haley
2004-01-19 1:31 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 1:51 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 10:40 ` Nick Burrett
2004-01-19 13:55 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 15:49 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 16:09 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-19 16:24 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 17:07 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-19 17:54 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 18:03 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 17:41 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 18:08 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-19 18:09 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-19 18:34 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 19:06 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 20:22 ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-19 20:38 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 21:09 ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-19 21:18 ` Eric Christopher
2004-01-19 21:46 ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-19 22:09 ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-19 22:29 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 23:04 ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-20 3:45 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-20 7:46 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-20 23:22 ` Gerald Pfeifer
2004-01-20 23:28 ` Zack Winkles
2004-01-19 23:53 ` Mark Hahn
2004-01-20 0:17 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-20 14:27 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-22 14:50 ` Geoffrey Furnish
2004-01-20 6:27 ` gcc compilation speed Matt Austern
2004-01-20 7:23 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-20 7:40 ` Karel Gardas
2004-01-20 8:25 ` gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal Karel Gardas
2004-01-20 12:07 ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-20 14:41 ` Karel Gardas
2004-01-20 14:52 ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-20 14:55 ` Karel Gardas
2004-01-20 15:16 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-20 15:21 ` Karel Gardas
2004-01-20 16:16 ` Comparison of compilation speed of GCC 3.4.0 040114, ICC 8.0 and COMO 4.3.3 on MICO ORB core sources (C++) Karel Gardas
2004-01-20 15:08 ` gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal Paul Koning
2004-01-19 21:20 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-20 2:05 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-20 14:25 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-19 21:34 ` Geoff Keating
2004-01-19 22:03 ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-19 22:22 ` Geoff Keating
2004-01-19 22:38 ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-20 3:53 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-20 4:52 ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-20 2:44 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-20 3:04 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-20 19:03 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-20 20:41 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-20 22:06 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-20 22:59 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-20 18:52 ` Geoffrey Keating
2004-01-20 22:12 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-20 22:30 ` Geoffrey Keating
2004-01-21 0:02 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-21 12:12 ` Richard Earnshaw
2004-01-22 6:37 ` Segher Boessenkool
2004-01-22 10:38 ` Richard Earnshaw
2004-01-22 6:27 ` Segher Boessenkool
2004-01-26 18:55 ` compile speed [was: gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal] Per Bothner
2004-01-26 19:34 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-20 0:01 ` GCC's hardware requirements - Where is the freedom? [was: " Matthias Benkmann
2004-01-20 3:13 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-20 3:17 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-20 9:23 ` Bernd Jendrissek
2004-01-20 21:38 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-20 22:50 ` Toon Moene
2004-01-20 8:12 ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-20 9:09 ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-19 17:27 ` gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 16:26 ` Per Bothner
2004-01-20 2:14 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-20 3:49 ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-20 10:08 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-20 15:13 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-20 18:04 ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-20 18:48 ` Geoffrey Keating
2004-01-20 19:01 ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-20 22:04 ` Geoff Keating
2004-01-21 2:23 ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-22 6:27 ` Segher Boessenkool
2004-01-19 20:51 ` Dale Johannesen
2004-01-19 23:01 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 3:42 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 3:47 ` Robert McNulty Junior
2004-01-19 3:49 ` David Edelsohn
2004-01-19 13:28 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 13:35 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 19:10 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 19:15 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 20:49 ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-19 19:39 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 13:35 ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-19 13:39 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 17:58 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 3:59 ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-19 8:19 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-19 11:29 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 13:18 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 14:13 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 14:18 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 14:48 ` Vladimir Makarov
2004-01-19 17:04 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-20 2:46 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-19 4:37 ` Giovanni Bajo
2004-01-19 4:46 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 7:04 ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-19 7:10 ` Andreas Jaeger
2004-01-19 8:12 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-19 8:38 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 8:45 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-19 9:35 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-12 22:40 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-13 23:31 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2004-01-19 16:24 Paul Koning
2004-01-19 17:46 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 17:51 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 18:12 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-19 18:20 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 18:29 ` Giovanni Bajo
2004-01-19 18:22 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 18:30 ` Paul Koning
2004-01-20 10:46 ` Russ Allbery
2004-01-20 3:00 D. Starner
2004-01-20 3:14 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-20 5:19 D. Starner
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