From: Jan Hubicka <hubicka@ucw.cz>
To: gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 01:13:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040113011357.GD23342@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040113000554.GB599@nevyn.them.org>
> "Same high quality"? I know you're aware of them, but you might want
> to revisit the reasons that _no vendor_ I know of in several years has
> shipped an FSF released compiler. Even Debian, which is chronically
> short of the talented manpower required for compiler development, ships
> fifteen hundred lines of GCC patches plus a bleeding edge 3.3-cvs
> snapshot last I checked. The people with real budgets, like SuSE and
I really tend to believe that hammer branch has possitive effect on FSF
release quality. One thing SuSE can and FSF can't is to give patches
fair amount of testing. Via Hammer branch many defects of
unit-at-a-time and profiling and other changes we do use were discovered
so it will hopefully make 3.4 easier to stabilize.
I really hope that when (if) 3.4 will be accepted for SuSE, I will be
able to throw 90% of the changes we have as they were in some form
merged into 3.4. Location lists is last major change remaining. I have
little understanding of this area, so can't really tell what is causing
it to be offending so much.
I plan to get deeper understanding once we will re-try send it for 3.5.
Honza
> Red Hat, have orders of magnitude more changes.
>
> I suspect the primary users of the release tarballs are roll-your-own
> developers (mainly either embedded or need-a-newer-C++) and large site
> installations (universities, corporate, etc.) who have a stable
> existing OS with an older compiler.
>
> Obviously we want higher quality releases. But now that CodeSourcery
> is doing the exact same thing as all other vendors, I'm sure you can
> see why it happens, and holding off releases isn't going to help
> anything. My utterly unqualified instinct says that postponing the
> release branch isn't going to help, since developers and vendors have
> absolutely demonstrated their willingness to work outside of the trunk.
>
> --
> Daniel Jacobowitz
> MontaVista Software Debian GNU/Linux Developer
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Thread overview: 185+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-01-10 0:11 Geoffrey Keating
2004-01-10 0:25 ` Phil Edwards
2004-01-10 0:47 ` Geoffrey Keating
2004-01-10 15:41 ` Phil Edwards
2004-01-12 18:47 ` Geoffrey Keating
2004-01-12 19:22 ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-12 23:42 ` Geoff Keating
2004-01-12 23:48 ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-12 23:49 ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-13 0:06 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-13 0:16 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-13 0:22 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-13 19:48 ` Gerald Pfeifer
2004-01-13 0:28 ` Joe Buck
2004-01-13 0:46 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-13 1:13 ` Jan Hubicka [this message]
2004-01-13 0:11 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-01-13 0:15 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-13 0:23 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-01-13 0:37 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-13 0:45 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-13 0:55 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-01-13 0:54 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-01-13 1:01 ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-13 1:16 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-01-13 1:26 ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-13 1:33 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-13 1:19 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-13 0:47 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-13 0:59 ` Altivec (Re: gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal) Matt Austern
2004-01-13 0:16 ` gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal Mark Mitchell
2004-01-13 0:54 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-13 21:31 ` Geoff Keating
2004-01-13 22:41 ` David Edelsohn
2004-01-13 23:13 ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-13 23:24 ` Paul Koning
2004-01-14 0:01 ` Geoff Keating
2004-01-14 0:26 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-14 8:35 ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-14 14:58 ` Paul Koning
2004-01-13 23:29 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-14 0:47 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-14 1:05 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-14 1:36 ` Joe Buck
2004-01-14 19:47 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-13 23:51 ` Eric Christopher
2004-01-13 23:53 ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-14 6:13 ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-14 8:39 ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-14 8:48 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-14 20:59 ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-14 21:02 ` Andrew Haley
2004-01-19 1:31 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 1:51 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 10:40 ` Nick Burrett
2004-01-19 13:55 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 15:49 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 16:09 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-19 16:24 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 17:07 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-19 17:54 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 18:03 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 17:41 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 18:08 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-19 18:09 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-19 18:34 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 19:06 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 20:22 ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-19 20:38 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 21:09 ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-19 21:18 ` Eric Christopher
2004-01-19 21:46 ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-19 22:09 ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-19 22:29 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 23:04 ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-20 3:45 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-20 7:46 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-20 23:22 ` Gerald Pfeifer
2004-01-20 23:28 ` Zack Winkles
2004-01-19 23:53 ` Mark Hahn
2004-01-20 0:17 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-20 14:27 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-22 14:50 ` Geoffrey Furnish
2004-01-20 6:27 ` gcc compilation speed Matt Austern
2004-01-20 7:23 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-20 7:40 ` Karel Gardas
2004-01-20 8:25 ` gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal Karel Gardas
2004-01-20 12:07 ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-20 14:41 ` Karel Gardas
2004-01-20 14:52 ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-20 14:55 ` Karel Gardas
2004-01-20 15:16 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-20 15:21 ` Karel Gardas
2004-01-20 16:16 ` Comparison of compilation speed of GCC 3.4.0 040114, ICC 8.0 and COMO 4.3.3 on MICO ORB core sources (C++) Karel Gardas
2004-01-20 15:08 ` gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal Paul Koning
2004-01-19 21:20 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-20 2:05 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-20 14:25 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-19 21:34 ` Geoff Keating
2004-01-19 22:03 ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-19 22:22 ` Geoff Keating
2004-01-19 22:38 ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-20 3:53 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-20 4:52 ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-20 2:44 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-20 3:04 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-20 19:03 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-20 20:41 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-20 22:06 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-20 22:59 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-20 18:52 ` Geoffrey Keating
2004-01-20 22:12 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-20 22:30 ` Geoffrey Keating
2004-01-21 0:02 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-21 12:12 ` Richard Earnshaw
2004-01-22 6:37 ` Segher Boessenkool
2004-01-22 10:38 ` Richard Earnshaw
2004-01-22 6:27 ` Segher Boessenkool
2004-01-26 18:55 ` compile speed [was: gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal] Per Bothner
2004-01-26 19:34 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-20 0:01 ` GCC's hardware requirements - Where is the freedom? [was: " Matthias Benkmann
2004-01-20 3:13 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-20 3:17 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-20 9:23 ` Bernd Jendrissek
2004-01-20 21:38 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-20 22:50 ` Toon Moene
2004-01-20 8:12 ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-20 9:09 ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-19 17:27 ` gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 16:26 ` Per Bothner
2004-01-20 2:14 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-20 3:49 ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-20 10:08 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-20 15:13 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-20 18:04 ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-20 18:48 ` Geoffrey Keating
2004-01-20 19:01 ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-20 22:04 ` Geoff Keating
2004-01-21 2:23 ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-22 6:27 ` Segher Boessenkool
2004-01-19 20:51 ` Dale Johannesen
2004-01-19 23:01 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 3:42 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 3:47 ` Robert McNulty Junior
2004-01-19 3:49 ` David Edelsohn
2004-01-19 13:28 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 13:35 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 19:10 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 19:15 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 20:49 ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-19 19:39 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 13:35 ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-19 13:39 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 17:58 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 3:59 ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-19 8:19 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-19 11:29 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 13:18 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 14:13 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 14:18 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 14:48 ` Vladimir Makarov
2004-01-19 17:04 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-20 2:46 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-19 4:37 ` Giovanni Bajo
2004-01-19 4:46 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 7:04 ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-19 7:10 ` Andreas Jaeger
2004-01-19 8:12 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-19 8:38 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 8:45 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-19 9:35 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-12 22:40 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-13 23:31 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2004-01-19 16:24 Paul Koning
2004-01-19 17:46 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 17:51 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 18:12 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-19 18:20 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 18:29 ` Giovanni Bajo
2004-01-19 18:22 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 18:30 ` Paul Koning
2004-01-20 10:46 ` Russ Allbery
2004-01-20 3:00 D. Starner
2004-01-20 3:14 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-20 5:19 D. Starner
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