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From: Steven Bosscher <s.bosscher@student.tudelft.nl>
To: Ziemowit Laski <zlaski@apple.com>,
	Mark Mitchell <mark@codesourcery.com>
Subject: Re: gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:15:00 -0000
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Cc: Geoff Keating <geoffk@apple.com>, gcc@gcc.gnu.org,
	Phil Edwards <phil@codesourcery.com>
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On Tuesday 13 January 2004 01:11, Ziemowit Laski wrote:
> On 12 Jan, 2004, at 15.49, Mark Mitchell wrote:
> > Apple (and some other vendors, including CodeSourcery) is in the
> > position of doing its own release management and bug-fixing based on
> > various versions of GCC.  Therefore, having high-quality FSF releases
> > may not make much of a difference to Apple; Apple doesn't use it
> > directly anyhow.
>
> And the reason we don't is because the FSF keeps shooting down our
> patches.
> You just can't have it both ways.

And Apple keeps ignoring existing infrastructure.  I understand the
inconvenience for you, but you should _fix_ patches, not force in.

Gr.
Steven