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From: law@redhat.com
To: kenner@vlsi1.ultra.nyu.edu (Richard Kenner)
Cc: dnovillo@redhat.com, gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Contributing tree-ssa to mainline
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 06:13:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200401170610.i0H6AEBX027059@speedy.slc.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:30:35 EST." <10401170230.AA15232@vlsi1.ultra.nyu.edu>

In message <10401170230.AA15232@vlsi1.ultra.nyu.edu>, Richard Kenner writes:
 >    First and foremost is the obvious question of whether people think that
 >    the whole infrastructure is worth adding to GCC at all.  From what we've
 >    discussed in the past few months, the consensus seems to be that it is. 
 >    But I think it's important to find out if folks think otherwise.
 >
 >    If we decide to add SSA for 3.5, then we need to determine exactly how
 >    we are going to go about it.
 >
 >My view is that I don't see this as something we can schedule (or even
 >decide) in advance.
 >
 >As I said, I see the nature of the tree-ssa project as research rather than
 >development.  Nobody seemed to understand what I meant before, so let me
 >clarify because it's part of my answer to how I view the above issues.
OK.  Let's take everything you've said as a given and let's ponder what
actually has been done with Ada to make it work with already existing
infrastructure mainline.  Specifically function at a time mode.  We've had
function at a time mode for a few years now, but yet we still have seen
little movement in the Ada front-end to support that mode.

Given the lack of movement on that front, how can we realistically expect
any movement on something like tree-ssa?  Particularly when tree-ssa
depends on function at a time mode?

Given the lack of movement from the Ada maintainers on that front, can we
realistically consider the Ada front-end even maintained, except perhaps
in a bugfix mode?

Realistically, if we are going to make tree-ssa a complete non-starter
because the Ada front-end isn't going to work and its maintainers are
not showing any willingness to put forth the effort to make it work with
already existing infrastructure, then, well, why bother with tree-ssa
at all.  I'll take my time and effort to some other non-GCC project
where I can actually make a difference.

Jeff

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-01-17  6:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 192+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-01-17  2:28 Richard Kenner
2004-01-17  3:09 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-17  5:04   ` Roger Sayle
2004-01-17  5:31     ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17  6:04       ` Roger Sayle
2004-01-17  6:19       ` David Edelsohn
2004-01-17 14:54       ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-17 14:01     ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-17 14:20       ` Roger Sayle
2004-01-17 14:29         ` Roger Sayle
2004-01-17 14:44           ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-17 15:07             ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-17 14:37         ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-17 21:32   ` Richard Henderson
2004-01-17 21:45     ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17  5:06 ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17  6:13 ` law [this message]
2004-01-17 12:07   ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-17 12:15     ` John R. Shannon
2004-01-19 23:46   ` Joe Buck
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-01-20 12:36 Richard Kenner
2004-01-20 15:06 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-20 15:14 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-20 16:14 ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-20 11:46 Richard Kenner
2004-01-20 11:57 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-20  4:35 Robert Dewar
2004-01-20  4:23 Richard Kenner
2004-01-20  4:28 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-20 11:15 ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-19 23:40 Richard Kenner
2004-01-19 23:15 Richard Kenner
2004-01-19 23:31 ` tm_gccmail
2004-01-19 19:13 Richard Kenner
2004-01-19 18:06 Richard Kenner
2004-01-19 16:12 Richard Kenner
2004-01-19 15:05 Richard Kenner
2004-01-19 15:56 ` law
2004-01-19 22:41 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-19 14:17 Richard Kenner
2004-01-19 14:46 ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-19 17:58 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2004-01-19 14:02 Richard Kenner
2004-01-19 12:29 Richard Kenner
2004-01-19 12:24 Richard Kenner
2004-01-19 12:31 ` Andrew Haley
2004-01-19 12:36 ` Paul Brook
2004-01-19 12:39   ` Paul Brook
2004-01-19 12:38 ` Andrew Haley
2004-01-19 12:49 ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-19 17:42   ` Geert Bosch
2004-01-19 17:51     ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-19 17:56       ` John R. Shannon
2004-01-19 18:02         ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-19 18:09       ` Geert Bosch
2004-01-19 18:27       ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 12:51 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 15:51   ` law
2004-01-19 17:30     ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 17:48       ` law
2004-01-19 17:57         ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-19 13:26 ` Theodore Papadopoulo
2004-01-19 14:23 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 18:00 ` Tom Tromey
2004-01-19 18:11   ` Andrew Haley
2004-01-19 18:39   ` Jeff Sturm
2004-01-19 11:44 Richard Kenner
2004-01-19 12:00 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 12:13   ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-19 12:12 ` Richard Henderson
2004-01-18 13:09 Richard Kenner
2004-01-17 17:17 Dara Hazeghi
2004-01-19 17:23 ` law
2004-01-17 13:35 Richard Kenner
2004-01-17 14:05 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-17 15:26   ` Andreas Jaeger
2004-01-17 13:33 Richard Kenner
2004-01-17 13:29 Richard Kenner
2004-01-17 17:58 ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17 13:20 Richard Kenner
2004-01-17  3:26 Richard Kenner
2004-01-17 14:49 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-17  3:21 Richard Kenner
2004-01-17  3:26 ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17  5:52   ` Per Bothner
2004-01-17  6:09     ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-18  2:46       ` Scott A Crosby
2004-01-17  8:00     ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17 13:47   ` Florian Weimer
2004-01-17 14:48     ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-17 14:53       ` Florian Weimer
2004-01-17 15:14         ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-17 17:07       ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-01-17 17:14         ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17 17:40           ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-17 18:34         ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-17 14:57     ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-19 23:30 ` Joe Buck
2004-01-19 23:43   ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-20  0:20     ` Dale Johannesen
2004-01-20  3:12     ` Geert Bosch
2004-01-20  3:27       ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17  3:15 Robert Dewar
2004-01-17  2:56 Richard Kenner
2004-01-17  3:14 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-17  3:20   ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17  2:52 Richard Kenner
2004-01-17  3:12 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-17  2:39 Richard Kenner
2004-01-17  3:04 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-17 16:55   ` Gerald Pfeifer
2004-01-19 14:48 ` Lars Segerlund
2004-01-19 23:37   ` Joe Buck
2004-01-17  0:19 Diego Novillo
2004-01-17  0:31 ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-17  0:35 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-17  0:44 ` Gerald Pfeifer
2004-01-17  0:53   ` law
2004-01-17  0:54   ` law
2004-01-17  1:37     ` Gerald Pfeifer
2004-01-17  1:46       ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17  0:55   ` Eric Christopher
2004-01-17  2:48     ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-17 22:08       ` Eric Christopher
2004-01-17  1:02   ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-01-17  1:51     ` Kaveh R. Ghazi
2004-01-17  2:01       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-17  2:17         ` Kaveh R. Ghazi
2004-01-17  3:01           ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-17  2:19         ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-17  3:02           ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-17  3:55             ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-17  3:36       ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17 13:06         ` Giovanni Bajo
2004-01-17 13:53         ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-18  7:01           ` law
2004-01-17 17:04         ` Kaveh R. Ghazi
2004-01-17 17:16           ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-17 17:30             ` Kaveh R. Ghazi
2004-01-17 17:50               ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-17 17:37             ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-17 17:46               ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-01-17 17:51                 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-17 18:11                   ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-01-17 19:12                     ` Arnaud Charlet
2004-01-29  0:36                       ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-29  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-17 17:58               ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-17 18:09                 ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-01-17 18:06           ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-18  7:15           ` law
2004-01-18 15:50             ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-17 17:12         ` Kaveh R. Ghazi
2004-01-17 17:26           ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17  5:31     ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17  6:15       ` law
2004-01-17  6:22         ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-17  6:38         ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17 14:45         ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-17 21:23           ` law
2004-01-17 21:33             ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-18  2:34               ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-17 11:16       ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-01-17 17:50         ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17 18:06           ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-01-17 20:14           ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-17 23:38         ` Toon Moene
2004-01-18  1:06           ` Phil Edwards
2004-01-17  2:15   ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-17  3:01     ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-17 11:08 ` Andrew Walrond
2004-01-17 23:33   ` Toon Moene
2004-01-17 14:30 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-17 14:57   ` Paul Brook
2004-01-17 15:28     ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-17 21:24     ` law
2004-01-17 21:47       ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17 19:01 ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-17 19:23   ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-18  0:14     ` Toon Moene
2004-01-20  1:39   ` Kaveh R. Ghazi
2004-01-20  2:00     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-20  2:08       ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-20  2:31         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-20 15:19       ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-20 15:27         ` Andrew Haley
2004-01-20  2:09     ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-22  8:49     ` Gerald Pfeifer
2004-01-17 19:22 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-17 19:34   ` Richard Guenther
2004-01-17 20:21     ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-18  1:24     ` David Edelsohn

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