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From: Marc Espie <espie@nerim.net>
To: gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:34:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040119183356.GA1133@tetto.gentiane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <400C1D07.9020300@coyotegulch.com>

On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 01:08:07PM -0500, Scott Robert Ladd wrote:
> This is what I meant by lauding GCC's "support for older hardware." I
> did quite a bit of cross-compiling for an embedded telephon application;
> I sure as heck don't expect my cell phone to run GCC!

One key point that I'd like to make, again, is that cross-compiling
kills old architectures, in terms of code quality.

I believe that the single most extensive test one can do is to build
a complete distribution on a system.

For quite a few cpu, there exists generalist machines, that can, in theory,
compile gcc, and then use it to compile an OS.

If you cross-compile everything, you will only run a select few
applications on that OS.

Experience has shown again and again that actually compiling large pieces
of software on a machine is one of the best all-purpose testcase one can 
wish for, between exercising the OS, running lots of small processes, and
dieing very quickly as soon as some faulty code happens, be it in the
compiler, the linker, the kernel, or in whatever piece such a complex software
architecture is composed of.

Remember that note about signal 11 on PCs, being attributable to faulty
memory ?   Do you think that it is a coincidence such signals were most
often seen while running a compilation, to the extent that an item had
to be added to the GCC FAQ, mentioning that it was faulty memory, and
likely not GCC's fault.

  reply	other threads:[~2004-01-19 18:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 185+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-01-10  0:11 Geoffrey Keating
2004-01-10  0:25 ` Phil Edwards
2004-01-10  0:47   ` Geoffrey Keating
2004-01-10 15:41     ` Phil Edwards
2004-01-12 18:47       ` Geoffrey Keating
2004-01-12 19:22         ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-12 23:42           ` Geoff Keating
2004-01-12 23:48             ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-12 23:49             ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-13  0:06               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-13  0:16                 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-13  0:22                   ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-13 19:48                     ` Gerald Pfeifer
2004-01-13  0:28                 ` Joe Buck
2004-01-13  0:46                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-13  1:13                 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-13  0:11               ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-01-13  0:15                 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-13  0:23                   ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-01-13  0:37                     ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-13  0:45                       ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-13  0:55                         ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-01-13  0:54                       ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-01-13  1:01                         ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-13  1:16                           ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-01-13  1:26                             ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-13  1:33                               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-13  1:19                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-13  0:47                     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-13  0:59                       ` Altivec (Re: gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal) Matt Austern
2004-01-13  0:16                 ` gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal Mark Mitchell
2004-01-13  0:54                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-13 21:31               ` Geoff Keating
2004-01-13 22:41                 ` David Edelsohn
2004-01-13 23:13                   ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-13 23:24                     ` Paul Koning
2004-01-14  0:01                       ` Geoff Keating
2004-01-14  0:26                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-14  8:35                         ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-14 14:58                         ` Paul Koning
2004-01-13 23:29                     ` Mike Stump
2004-01-14  0:47                       ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-14  1:05                         ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-14  1:36                       ` Joe Buck
2004-01-14 19:47                         ` Mike Stump
2004-01-13 23:51                 ` Eric Christopher
2004-01-13 23:53                   ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-14  6:13                 ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-14  8:39                   ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-14  8:48                   ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-14 20:59                     ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-14 21:02                       ` Andrew Haley
2004-01-19  1:31                 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19  1:51                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 10:40                     ` Nick Burrett
2004-01-19 13:55                       ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 15:49                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 16:09                           ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-19 16:24                             ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 17:07                               ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-19 17:54                               ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 18:03                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 17:41                             ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 18:08                               ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-19 18:09                               ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-19 18:34                                 ` Marc Espie [this message]
2004-01-19 19:06                                 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 20:22                                   ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-19 20:38                                     ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 21:09                                       ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-19 21:18                                         ` Eric Christopher
2004-01-19 21:46                                           ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-19 22:09                                             ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-19 22:29                                               ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 23:04                                                 ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-20  3:45                                                 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-20  7:46                                                   ` Marc Espie
2004-01-20 23:22                                                     ` Gerald Pfeifer
2004-01-20 23:28                                                       ` Zack Winkles
2004-01-19 23:53                                             ` Mark Hahn
2004-01-20  0:17                                               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-20 14:27                                                 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-22 14:50                                                 ` Geoffrey Furnish
2004-01-20  6:27                                               ` gcc compilation speed Matt Austern
2004-01-20  7:23                                                 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-20  7:40                                                   ` Karel Gardas
2004-01-20  8:25                                               ` gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal Karel Gardas
2004-01-20 12:07                                                 ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-20 14:41                                                   ` Karel Gardas
2004-01-20 14:52                                                     ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-20 14:55                                                       ` Karel Gardas
2004-01-20 15:16                                                     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-20 15:21                                                       ` Karel Gardas
2004-01-20 16:16                                                   ` Comparison of compilation speed of GCC 3.4.0 040114, ICC 8.0 and COMO 4.3.3 on MICO ORB core sources (C++) Karel Gardas
2004-01-20 15:08                                               ` gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal Paul Koning
2004-01-19 21:20                                         ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-20  2:05                                       ` Mike Stump
2004-01-20 14:25                                         ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-19 21:34                                     ` Geoff Keating
2004-01-19 22:03                                       ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-19 22:22                                         ` Geoff Keating
2004-01-19 22:38                                           ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-20  3:53                                             ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-20  4:52                                               ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-20  2:44                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-20  3:04                                             ` Mike Stump
2004-01-20 19:03                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-20 20:41                                                 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-20 22:06                                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-20 22:59                                                     ` Mike Stump
2004-01-20 18:52                                             ` Geoffrey Keating
2004-01-20 22:12                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-20 22:30                                                 ` Geoffrey Keating
2004-01-21  0:02                                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-21 12:12                                                   ` Richard Earnshaw
2004-01-22  6:37                                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2004-01-22 10:38                                                       ` Richard Earnshaw
2004-01-22  6:27                                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2004-01-26 18:55                                             ` compile speed [was: gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal] Per Bothner
2004-01-26 19:34                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-20  0:01                                     ` GCC's hardware requirements - Where is the freedom? [was: " Matthias Benkmann
2004-01-20  3:13                                       ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-20  3:17                                         ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-20  9:23                                           ` Bernd Jendrissek
2004-01-20 21:38                                             ` Mike Stump
2004-01-20 22:50                                             ` Toon Moene
2004-01-20  8:12                                       ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-20  9:09                                         ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-19 17:27                           ` gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 16:26                       ` Per Bothner
2004-01-20  2:14                       ` Mike Stump
2004-01-20  3:49                       ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-20 10:08                         ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-20 15:13                           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-20 18:04                           ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-20 18:48                             ` Geoffrey Keating
2004-01-20 19:01                               ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-20 22:04                                 ` Geoff Keating
2004-01-21  2:23                                   ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-22  6:27                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2004-01-19 20:51                     ` Dale Johannesen
2004-01-19 23:01                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19  3:42                   ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19  3:47                     ` Robert McNulty Junior
2004-01-19  3:49                     ` David Edelsohn
2004-01-19 13:28                       ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 13:35                         ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-19 13:35                         ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 19:10                           ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 19:15                             ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 20:49                               ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-19 19:39                             ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 13:39                         ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 17:58                         ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19  3:59                     ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-19  8:19                     ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-19 11:29                     ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 13:18                       ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 14:13                       ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 14:18                         ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 14:48                           ` Vladimir Makarov
2004-01-19 17:04                             ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-20  2:46                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-19  4:37                   ` Giovanni Bajo
2004-01-19  4:46                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19  7:04                       ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-19  7:10                         ` Andreas Jaeger
2004-01-19  8:12                       ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-19  8:38                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19  8:45                           ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-19  9:35                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-12 22:40       ` Mike Stump
2004-01-13 23:31 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2004-01-19 16:24 Paul Koning
2004-01-19 17:46 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 17:51   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 18:12     ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-19 18:20       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 18:29       ` Giovanni Bajo
2004-01-19 18:22     ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 18:30   ` Paul Koning
2004-01-20 10:46     ` Russ Allbery
2004-01-20  3:00 D. Starner
2004-01-20  3:14 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-20  5:19 D. Starner

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