From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21730 invoked by alias); 17 Nov 2004 23:05:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: Sender: gcc-owner@gcc.gnu.org Received: (qmail 21721 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 23:05:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO disaster.jaj.com) (24.123.75.82) by sourceware.org with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 23:05:40 -0000 Received: from disaster.jaj.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disaster.jaj.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAHN5aZM006286; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:05:36 -0500 Received: (from phil@localhost) by disaster.jaj.com (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id iAHN5apB006285; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:05:36 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:17:00 -0000 From: Phil Edwards To: Gregory John Casamento Cc: Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf , Mike Stump , gcc@gcc.gnu.org, discuss-gnustep@gnu.org Subject: Re: Is ObjC++ still in time for 4.0? Message-ID: <20041117230536.GA6006@disaster.jaj.com> Reply-To: gcc@gcc.gnu.org References: <93CA0604-38E1-11D9-9815-0030654C2998@hamburg.de> <20041117224033.7788.qmail@web41601.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041117224033.7788.qmail@web41601.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-SW-Source: 2004-11/txt/msg00587.txt.bz2 On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 02:40:33PM -0800, Gregory John Casamento wrote: > Guys.. This type of outburst is atypical coming from me, but I must say > this... > > Argh!! C'mon... c'mon... c'mon... ObjC++ has been perpetually forthcoming for > the past two years! What does it take to get Objective-C++ in? It has been > so frustrating waiting for this. There is *so much software* which would be > trivial to reuse once this is done. > > Please, just get past all of the politics and get it in! Lots of screaming and yelling about "just do it," but nobody in the ObjC++ community so far has answered the objections brought up the last time. Politics aren't what's keeping it out. Front-ends aren't popularity contests; the GCC maintainers aren't going to suddenly start checking in troublesome code just because X number of potential users really, really want it. If you want it in 4.0, then start answering questions and propose cleaner designs than the ones so far. -- Behind everything some further thing is found, forever; thus the tree behind the bird, stone beneath soil, the sun behind Urth. Behind our efforts, let there be found our efforts. - Ascian saying, as related by Loyal to the Group of Seventeen