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From: DJ Delorie <dj@redhat.com>
To: tnt@246tNt.com
Cc: gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: Design a microcontroller for gcc
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:40:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200602142339.k1ENdpCF013521@greed.delorie.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43F2666E.70703@246tNt.com> (message from Sylvain Munaut on Wed, 	15 Feb 2006 00:23:26 +0100)


> 	* 8 bit RISC microcontroller

Not 16?

> 	* 16 general purpose registers
> 	* 16 level deep hardware call stack

If you have RAM, why not use it?  Model calls like the PPC - put
current $pc in a register and jump.  The caller saves the old $pc in
the regular stack.  GCC is going to want a "normal" frame.  This is
easy to do in hardware, and more flexible than a hardware call stack.

> 	* load/store to a flat "memory" (minimum 1k, up to 16k)
> 	  (addressing in that memory uses a register for the 8 lsb and
>            a special register for the msbs)
> 	  that memory can be loaded along with the code to have known
> 	  content at startup for eg.

GCC is going to want register pairs to work as larger registers.
Like, if you have $r2 and $r3 as 8 bit registers, gcc wants [$r2$r3]
to be usable as a 16 bit register.  Another reason to go with 16 bit
registers ;-)

GCC won't like having an address split across "special" registers.

But it's OK to limit index registers to evenly numbered ones.

> 	* pipelined with some restriction on instruction scheduling
> 	  (cfr later)

GCC works better if the hardware enforces the locks; it's good at
scheduling pipelines but it doesn't *always* do the right thing; it's
easier if your hardware allows this, if suboptimally.

Of course, I don't know *that* much about the current scheduler.
There may be a way to deal with this cleanly now.

> 	* 2 flags Carry & Zero for testing.

GCC will want 4 (add sign and overflow) to support signed comparisons.
Sign should be easy; overflow is the carry out of bit 6.

> I mentionned earlier that there is some scheduling restriction on the
> instructions due to internal pipelining. For example, the result of a
> fetch from memory may not be used in the instruction directly following
> the fetch. When there is a conditionnal branch, the instruction just
> following the branch will always be executed, no matter what the result
> is (branch/call/... are not immediate but have a 1 instruction latency
> beforce the occur). Is theses kind of limitation 'easily' supported by
> gcc ?

Delay slots are common; gcc handles them well.  You might need to add
custom code to enforce the pipeline rules if your pipeline won't
automatically stall.

> I saw several time that gcc works better with a lot of GPRs. I could
> increase them to 32 but then arithmetic instructions would have to use
> the same register for destination than for src1.

16 is sufficient.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-02-14 23:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-14 23:22 Sylvain Munaut
2006-02-14 23:40 ` DJ Delorie [this message]
2006-02-15  0:28   ` Sylvain Munaut
2006-02-15  0:41     ` DJ Delorie
2006-02-15 19:59       ` Sylvain Munaut
2006-02-15 20:06         ` DJ Delorie
2006-02-15 20:23           ` Paul Brook
2006-02-15 21:21             ` DJ Delorie
2006-02-15 22:10 ` Hans-Peter Nilsson
2006-02-15 23:10   ` David Daney
2006-02-16  0:26   ` Sylvain Munaut
2006-02-16  0:46     ` DJ Delorie
2006-02-16  2:49     ` Hans-Peter Nilsson
2006-02-16  3:21       ` DJ Delorie
2006-02-16  3:34         ` Hans-Peter Nilsson
2006-02-16  3:37           ` Hans-Peter Nilsson
2006-02-16  3:44             ` DJ Delorie
2006-02-16  3:40           ` DJ Delorie
2006-02-16  3:56             ` Hans-Peter Nilsson
2006-02-16  4:10               ` Hans-Peter Nilsson
2006-02-16  4:17                 ` DJ Delorie
2006-02-16  4:13               ` DJ Delorie
2006-02-16 11:42         ` Hans-Peter Nilsson
2006-02-16 20:49           ` Sylvain Munaut
2006-02-17  0:28             ` Hans-Peter Nilsson
2006-02-20  8:54               ` Sylvain Munaut

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