From: Basile Starynkevitch <basile@starynkevitch.net>
To: "Manuel López-Ibáñez" <lopezibanez@gmail.com>
Cc: gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: Notes from the GROW'10 workshop panel (GCC research opportunities workshop)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:03:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100415115737.GA32020@hector.lesours> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <u2x6c33472e1004150126sf210939se5e8d1acf1d35d5c@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:26:16AM +0200, Manuel López-Ibáñez wrote:
> On 14 April 2010 23:34, Basile Starynkevitch <basile@starynkevitch.net> wrote:
> >
> > And my personal preference on GCC licensing would be more a Linux-kernel
> > like GPL with copyright belonging to authors employee (I don't feel a SCO
> > like issue as a major threat today; it might have been ten years ago). That
> > is much easier to get than a copyright transfer to FSF.
>
> I am sorry but I do not think the copyright transfer/ GCC license is
> worth discussing in this list.
Then sorry for having discussed it. It was only my personal option.
Discussion closed.
>
> And given the feedback provided by Grigori, the licensing issues are
> very low in the list of complains from academia and the major
> complaints are technical (speed, simplicity, and documentation).
>
> > And GCC is probably less threatened today by legal issues Ä
la SCO than by
> > obesity, obsolescence, outside competition -eg LLVM- and perhaps even less
> > interest by industry for the low level languages (C, C++, Ada) GCC is
> > processing. Even in industry, scripting languages (or languages like Java or
> > C# which are not practically significant for GCC) have more market share
> > than a dozen years ago.
>
> You know there is a Java FE in GCC, don't you?
Of course I do know about gcj. But I never met any person using it, and I
don't know about any person or project really using it (as an example, I am
not sure than any Debian or Fedora package is compiled with gcj into a
native executable; do you know of many Debian packages compiled with GCJ
specifically?). But I don't know much about Java (except practically Sun's
JVM, IBM's one, and OpenJdk).
>
> And whether a language is significant or not for GCC is a question of
> someone contributing a FE for it.
I did not meant significant for GCC, I did meant significant for industrial
use (outside of the GCC community). What I just believe is that programming
languages usually compiled by GCC are a bit less used than ten years ago (in
favor of scripting languages such as PHP). And it is the industrial
importance of languages which I believe determine indirectly the work on GCC
(because industrials are funding directly or indirectly, or at least are
lobbying for, most of the labor put into GCC)
> And calling Ada "low-level"... Honestly, let's stop this sub-thread
> here. No more discussion about plugins or legal issues, please.
Ok. Sorry for the inconvenience.
(BTW I call lowlevel any language which does not manage memory
automatically; I am quite fond of Ocaml even if I don't use it much today.
So in my eyes C++, Ada95 & Fortran2005 are still low-level; this is only a
matter of taste & terminology).
Cheers
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-04-15 11:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-04-11 14:01 Dorit Nuzman
2010-04-11 18:27 ` Chris Lattner
2010-04-11 19:38 ` Grigori Fursin
2010-04-11 20:25 ` Chris Lattner
2010-04-11 20:58 ` Grigori Fursin
2010-04-14 14:34 ` Grigori Fursin
2010-04-14 14:58 ` Steven Bosscher
2010-04-14 15:21 ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-14 15:30 ` Steven Bosscher
2010-04-14 15:36 ` Diego Novillo
2010-04-14 15:50 ` Nathan Froyd
2010-04-14 15:57 ` Richard Guenther
2010-04-14 19:19 ` Tom Tromey
2010-04-14 16:06 ` Diego Novillo
2010-04-14 18:30 ` Richard Guenther
2010-04-14 18:49 ` Toon Moene
2010-04-14 19:52 ` Basile Starynkevitch
2010-04-14 20:31 ` Toon Moene
2010-04-14 20:43 ` Toon Moene
2010-04-14 21:02 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2010-04-14 21:34 ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-15 8:26 ` Basile Starynkevitch
2010-04-15 8:38 ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-15 12:03 ` Basile Starynkevitch [this message]
2010-04-15 12:07 ` Andrew Haley
2010-04-15 12:15 ` Steven Bosscher
2010-04-15 12:17 ` Andrew Haley
2010-04-22 9:18 ` Laurent GUERBY
2010-04-14 21:04 ` Nathan Froyd
2010-04-14 19:42 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2010-04-14 15:44 ` Duncan Sands
2010-04-15 9:05 ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-16 12:36 ` Grigori Fursin
2010-04-16 17:15 ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-16 17:40 ` Grigori Fursin
2010-04-27 12:40 ` Grigori Fursin
2010-04-27 16:31 ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-27 18:42 ` Grigori Fursin
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