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From: rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Ross Ridge)
To: gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: Why not contribute? (to GCC)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:35:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100424121223.B917D9C09@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> (raw)

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Manuel López-Ibáñez writes:
>What reasons keep you from contributing to GCC?

The big reason the copyright assignment.  I never even bothered to read
it, but as I don't get anything in return there's no point.  Why should
put obligaitons on myself, open myself up to even unlikely liabilities,
just so my patches can merged into the official source distribution?
I work on software on my own time to solve my own problems.  I'm happy
enough not "horde" it and give it away for "free", but it doesn't
make much difference to me if anyone else actually ends up using it.
I can have my own patched version of GCC that does what I want without
signing anything.

Another reason is the poor patch submission process.  Why e-mail a patch
if I know, as a new contributor, there's a good chance it won't even be
looked at by anyone?  Why would I want to go through I a process where I'm
expected to keep begging until my patch finally gets someone's attention?

I also just don't need the abuse.  GCC, while not the most of hostile of
open source projects out there, it's up there.  Manuel López-Ibáñez's
unjustified hostility towards Michael Witten in this thread is just a
small example.

Finally, it's also a lot of work.  Just building GCC can be pain, having
to find upto date versions of a growing list of math libraries that
don't benefit me in the slightest way.  Running the test suite takes a
long time, so even trivial patches require a non-trivial amount of work.
Anything more serious can take a huge ammount of time.  I've abandonded
projects once I realized it would be lot quicker to find some other
solution like using assembly, rather than trying to get GCC to do what
I wanted it to do.

Now these are just the main reasons why I don't contribute to GCC.
I'm not arguing that any these issues need to be or can be fixed.  If I
had what I thought where good solutions that would be better overall to
GCC then I'd have suggested them long ago.

I will add, that I don't think code quality is a problem with GCC.  I hate
the GNU coding style as much as anyone, but it's used consistantly and
that's what matters.  Compared other open and closed projects I've seen
it's as easy to understand and maintain as anything.  GNU binutils is
a pile of poo, but I don't know of any codebase the size of GCC that's
as nice to work with.

					Ross Ridge

             reply	other threads:[~2010-04-24 12:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 231+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-24 12:35 Ross Ridge [this message]
2010-04-24 12:56 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-04-24 13:29   ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-24 14:23     ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-24 19:48     ` Florian Weimer
2010-04-24 20:23       ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-25 15:44   ` Jonathan Corbet
2010-04-25 15:54     ` Steven Bosscher
2010-04-25 16:00       ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-25 16:48         ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-25 16:00       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-04-25 16:18     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-04-26 16:50       ` Jonathan Corbet
2010-04-26 16:54         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-04-26 17:03           ` Jonathan Corbet
2010-04-26 19:53             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2010-04-26 20:03               ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-26 20:04                 ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-27 19:52                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-04-27 19:56                     ` Ian Lance Taylor
2010-04-27 21:05                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-04-27 21:20                         ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-27 21:33                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-04-27 21:40                             ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-27 22:33                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-04-27 22:33                             ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-27 22:53                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-04-29  8:50                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-04-26 17:04         ` Steven Bosscher
2010-04-26 17:15           ` Steven Bosscher
2010-04-26 18:00           ` Olivier Galibert
2010-04-25 16:35     ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-24 14:21 ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-24 14:31   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2010-04-24 14:34     ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-24 14:39   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-04-24 14:40     ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-24 14:45       ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-24 19:36 ` Leif Ekblad
2010-04-24 19:47   ` Joel Sherrill
2010-04-25 11:07     ` Leif Ekblad
2010-04-25 11:25       ` Ralf Wildenhues
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2010-04-26 16:09 Ross Ridge
2010-04-26  9:46 Ross Ridge
2010-04-26 12:32 ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-26 15:11   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-04-26 15:11 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-04-24 12:51 Matthew J Fletcher
2010-04-23 18:56 Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-23 19:04 ` Paolo Carlini
2010-04-23 19:24   ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-23 19:58     ` Michael Witten
2010-04-23 20:43       ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-23 21:49         ` Michael Witten
2010-04-23 22:18           ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-23 23:20             ` Michael Witten
2010-04-25 15:34     ` Denys Vlasenko
2010-04-25 16:34       ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-26  5:06         ` Olivier Galibert
2010-04-26  5:16           ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-26 11:41             ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-04-27  2:03               ` Russ Allbery
2010-04-27  2:58                 ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-27 14:57                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-04-23 19:34 ` Дмитрий Дьяченко
2010-04-23 19:45   ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-23 19:53     ` Joel Sherrill
2010-04-24 16:00       ` Дмитрий Дьяченко
2010-04-24 16:02         ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-24 16:45           ` Joel Sherrill
2010-04-24 18:07         ` Laurent GUERBY
2010-04-23 19:40 ` David Daney
2010-04-25 19:26   ` Mark Mielke
2010-04-23 19:48 ` Marc Glisse
2010-04-23 20:06   ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-23 21:36   ` Basile Starynkevitch
2010-04-23 21:45     ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-24  0:05       ` Basile Starynkevitch
2010-04-24  0:37         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2010-04-24  0:47           ` Basile Starynkevitch
2010-04-24  0:48         ` Ian Lance Taylor
2010-04-24  1:37           ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-25 20:26           ` Mark Mielke
2010-04-25 21:46             ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-25 22:16               ` Mark Mielke
2010-04-25 22:48                 ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-26  0:28                   ` Mark Mielke
2010-04-26  0:30                     ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-26  0:37                     ` Jack Howarth
2010-04-26  1:45                       ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-26  2:06                       ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-26  2:32                     ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-26  2:55                       ` Michael Witten
2010-04-26  3:02                         ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-26  3:08                         ` Dave Korn
2010-04-26  3:23                     ` Dave Korn
2010-04-26  3:25                       ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-26  3:25                         ` Dave Korn
2010-04-26  9:32                           ` Mark Mielke
2010-04-26 11:48                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-04-27  4:02                               ` Mark Mielke
2010-04-27  7:57                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-04-26 12:20                             ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-26 12:36                               ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-26 15:11                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-04-27  3:21                                 ` Mark Mielke
2010-04-27  3:55                                   ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-26  3:32                       ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-26  4:02                         ` Dave Korn
2010-04-26  4:13                           ` Russ Allbery
2010-04-26  4:32                             ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-26  4:36                               ` Dave Korn
2010-04-26  4:22                           ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-26  9:23                       ` Mark Mielke
2010-04-24  1:39         ` Dave Korn
2010-04-23 22:35     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-04-25 19:37       ` Mark Mielke
2010-04-25 21:35         ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-26  4:32         ` Ian Lance Taylor
2010-04-26  4:54           ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-26  9:41           ` Mark Mielke
2010-04-26 17:14             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-04-26 17:19             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2010-04-26 15:11         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-04-23 22:18   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-04-23 22:53     ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-24  0:04       ` Joe Buck
2010-04-24  0:21         ` Basile Starynkevitch
2010-04-24  1:00           ` Joe Buck
2010-04-24  0:08       ` Basile Starynkevitch
2010-04-24  0:35         ` Joe Buck
2010-04-24  0:41           ` Basile Starynkevitch
2010-04-24  1:32             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2010-04-24  1:39               ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-24  2:13                 ` Dave Korn
2010-04-24  5:14                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2010-04-24  6:02                   ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-24  1:35             ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-25 19:54             ` Mark Mielke
2010-04-25 21:42               ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-24 10:26         ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-24 10:39           ` Eric Botcazou
2010-04-24 13:02           ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-25  4:20         ` Chris Lattner
2010-04-25  8:40       ` Chris Lattner
2010-04-25 10:56         ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-25 14:59           ` Chris Lattner
2010-04-25 15:04             ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-25 15:20               ` Chris Lattner
2010-04-25 15:21                 ` H.J. Lu
2010-04-25 21:37                   ` Mark Mielke
2010-04-25 16:30                 ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-25 16:54                   ` Michael Witten
2010-04-25 17:04                     ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-25 17:09                       ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-25 17:05                     ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-25 17:05                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-04-25 17:08                     ` Steven Bosscher
2010-04-26  9:07                       ` Andrew Haley
2010-04-25 19:19                   ` Chris Lattner
2010-04-25 21:24                     ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-26  5:14                       ` Chris Lattner
2010-04-26  7:17                         ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-26 11:59                         ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-26 15:12                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-04-26 16:59                       ` Chris Lattner
2010-04-26 17:26                         ` Olivier Galibert
2010-04-26 18:04                         ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-27  2:16                           ` Mark Mielke
2010-04-27  3:02                             ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-27 20:43                             ` Michael Witten
2010-04-27  5:10                           ` Olivier Galibert
2010-04-27 12:27                             ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-26 19:28                         ` Ian Lance Taylor
2010-04-26 20:53                           ` Chris Lattner
2010-04-26 21:06                             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2010-04-26 21:42                               ` Chris Lattner
2010-04-26 22:18                               ` Toon Moene
2010-04-27  2:56                           ` Mark Mielke
2010-04-27  3:04                             ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-27  4:54                             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2010-04-25 17:16                 ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-25 17:35                   ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-25 17:58                     ` Steven Bosscher
2010-04-25 21:17                       ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-25 16:26             ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-25 18:04             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2010-04-25 12:43         ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-23 20:03 ` HyperQuantum
2010-04-23 20:14   ` HyperQuantum
2010-04-23 20:19     ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-23 20:24     ` Paweł Sikora
2010-04-23 20:42       ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-23 20:51         ` Michael Witten
2010-04-23 21:05           ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-23 22:01             ` Michael Witten
2010-04-24  9:19               ` Jonathan Wakely
2010-04-24 10:51         ` Paweł Sikora
2010-04-24 11:10           ` Andi Hellmund
2010-04-24 12:12             ` Joseph S. Myers
2010-04-24 13:20               ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-24 13:53           ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-24 14:14             ` Toon Moene
2010-04-24  2:09     ` Tim Prince
2010-04-24  5:08       ` Dave Korn
2010-04-23 20:32   ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-23 20:22 ` Michael Witten
2010-04-23 20:59 ` Florian Weimer
2010-04-23 22:06 ` Russ Allbery
2010-04-24  8:53 ` Michael Veksler
2010-04-24 19:43 ` Thomas Neumann
2010-04-24 20:03   ` Joel Sherrill
2010-04-24 20:28     ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-24 20:37       ` Steven Bosscher
2010-04-24 20:37         ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-24 20:43           ` Richard Guenther
2010-04-24 20:39         ` Richard Guenther
2010-04-24 20:45           ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-24 21:40           ` Andi Hellmund
2010-04-24 22:19             ` Joel Sherrill
2010-04-25 12:54               ` Eric Botcazou
2010-04-25 13:01                 ` Richard Kenner
2010-04-25 13:10                   ` Steven Bosscher
2010-04-25 14:55                     ` Ralf Wildenhues
2010-04-25 17:36                       ` Ian Lance Taylor
2010-04-25 20:41                 ` Richard Guenther
2010-04-24 20:46   ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-05-04  7:13   ` Theodore Papadopoulo
2010-05-04 20:51     ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-24 21:03 ` Martin Guy
2010-04-24 21:27   ` Manuel López-Ibáñez

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