From: Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Joseph Myers <joseph@codesourcery.com>
Cc: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>,
Mark Wielaard <mark@klomp.org>,
Maxim Kuvyrkov <maxim.kuvyrkov@linaro.org>,
"Richard Earnshaw (lists)" <Richard.Earnshaw@arm.com>,
gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: Proposal for the transition timetable for the move to GIT
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 15:37:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191216153649.GE3152@gate.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1912161407130.3352@digraph.polyomino.org.uk>
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 02:13:06PM +0000, Joseph Myers wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Dec 2019, Segher Boessenkool wrote:
>
> > Most of us are perfectly happy even with the current git mirror, for
> > old commits. We want "real" git to make the workflow for new commits
> > better.
> >
> > No more delays, _please_.
>
> The timetable is a useful guideline. It should not be our master when
> there are clear improvements with implementations already available;
> waiting to the actual end of stage 3 makes sense (when waiting another
> year would not make sense). When we're talking about something to be used
> for the next 20 years we should make sure to get it right.
We should not take five years to get it done.
And the current mirror is "right", already, as Jeff said at the Cauldron
(a minute before we unanymously decided to do the conversion soon; this
is over three months ago already).
> All conversions clearly need more validation work.
No, I do not agree with that. We have had the opportunity to look at
Maxim's conversions for months already, since before the Cauldron, and
it has been perfectly adequate from the start imnsho, and it has been
improved a little since even.
> That missing branches
> in Maxim's conversion could be noted only today clearly shows that
... clearly shows that *no one cares* about those branches.
(and
> conversions with an ad hoc script need much more thorough, trickier
> validation because you don't benefit from knowing the tool has worked for
> other conversions).
Reposurgeon is ad-hoc as well, and the current implementation is a
complete rewrite, and not proven *at all*. At least Maxim's scripts are
just that: scripts, using some very well-tested very widely used tools
as building blocks.
> > If the reposurgeon conversion is not ready now, then it is too late
> > to be selected.
>
> I believe it's at least as ready as Maxim's.
I do not agree. You say the reposurgeon conversion is not ready today.
Maxim's conversion has been ready for many months.
Segher
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2019-09-17 12:02 Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-09-17 12:24 ` Richard Biener
2019-09-17 13:50 ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-09-17 16:35 ` Joseph Myers
2019-09-17 17:51 ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-09-17 16:33 ` Joseph Myers
2019-09-19 12:04 ` Janne Blomqvist
2019-09-19 14:43 ` Damian Rouson
2019-09-19 15:30 ` Janne Blomqvist
2019-10-25 14:10 ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-10-25 16:32 ` Jeff Law
2019-09-19 15:30 ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-09-19 15:49 ` Damian Rouson
2019-09-19 15:35 ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-06 14:44 ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-06 17:21 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-06 17:39 ` Richard Biener
2019-12-06 19:46 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-06 20:43 ` Sandra Loosemore
2019-12-07 2:57 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-09 18:19 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-09 18:40 ` Bernd Schmidt
2019-12-09 20:45 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-09 22:12 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-09 19:28 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-11 14:40 ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-11 15:03 ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-11 15:19 ` Jonathan Wakely
2019-12-11 15:21 ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-11 15:36 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-11 16:02 ` Jonathan Wakely
2019-12-11 17:47 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16 2:19 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-11 15:30 ` Dennis Luehring
2019-12-11 15:36 ` Richard Earnshaw
2019-12-11 17:36 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-06 20:49 ` Bernd Schmidt
2019-12-16 9:53 ` Mark Wielaard
2019-12-16 11:29 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 12:43 ` Mark Wielaard
2019-12-16 13:36 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 13:54 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16 14:05 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 14:13 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 15:37 ` Segher Boessenkool [this message]
2019-12-16 16:36 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 17:40 ` Jeff Law
2019-12-25 8:12 ` Alexandre Oliva
2019-12-25 12:07 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-25 12:24 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-25 14:16 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-25 18:50 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-25 19:18 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-26 6:09 ` Alexandre Oliva
2019-12-26 11:04 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-26 11:17 ` Jakub Jelinek
2019-12-26 12:10 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-26 16:11 ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-26 16:58 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-26 18:36 ` Jakub Jelinek
2019-12-26 18:59 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-27 11:21 ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-27 11:33 ` Andrew Pinski
2019-12-27 13:35 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-27 11:35 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-27 12:37 ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-28 2:27 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-28 11:23 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-28 12:19 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-28 17:11 ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-28 20:28 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-29 1:45 ` Julien "FrnchFrgg" Rivaud
2019-12-29 10:41 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-29 11:02 ` Richard Biener
2019-12-29 11:47 ` Julien '_FrnchFrgg_' RIVAUD
2019-12-29 13:31 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-29 13:51 ` Julien '_FrnchFrgg_' RIVAUD
2019-12-29 12:15 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-29 16:32 ` Richard Earnshaw
2019-12-29 16:37 ` Julien '_FrnchFrgg_' RIVAUD
2019-12-29 11:42 ` Julien '_FrnchFrgg_' RIVAUD
2019-12-29 13:26 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-29 13:48 ` Julien '_FrnchFrgg_' RIVAUD
2019-12-29 15:01 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-29 17:31 ` Ian Lance Taylor via gcc
2019-12-30 0:31 ` Julien "FrnchFrgg" Rivaud
2019-12-29 21:31 ` Thomas Koenig
2019-12-29 23:57 ` Jeff Law
2019-12-27 13:29 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-26 20:31 ` Richard Biener
2019-12-27 1:32 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-27 10:14 ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-28 1:55 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-29 18:31 ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-29 18:55 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-29 22:47 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-29 23:00 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-29 23:13 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-30 15:36 ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-30 22:37 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-30 22:58 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-31 0:23 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-31 12:48 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-31 3:09 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-29 22:24 ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-30 0:18 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-30 0:44 ` Julien "FrnchFrgg" Rivaud
2019-12-30 12:39 ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-30 13:01 ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-30 15:31 ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-30 15:49 ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-30 16:08 ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2020-01-02 2:59 ` Alexandre Oliva
2020-01-02 10:58 ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2020-01-08 20:46 ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2020-01-08 22:11 ` Eric S. Raymond
2020-01-08 23:34 ` Joseph Myers
2020-01-09 2:38 ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-01-09 12:12 ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2020-01-09 14:01 ` Eric S. Raymond
2020-01-11 11:30 ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-01-10 7:33 ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2020-01-10 9:49 ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2020-01-10 11:38 ` Richard Biener
2020-01-10 12:09 ` Iain Sandoe
2020-01-10 13:11 ` Joseph Myers
2020-01-10 12:53 ` Nathan Sidwell
2020-01-10 14:13 ` Martin Liška
2020-01-11 11:57 ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-01-11 11:52 ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-01-10 13:31 ` Bernd Schmidt
2020-01-10 15:27 ` Eric S. Raymond
2020-01-10 15:09 ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2020-01-10 15:16 ` Joseph Myers
2020-01-10 15:33 ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2020-01-11 7:04 ` Gerald Pfeifer
2020-01-09 5:07 ` Jeff Law
2020-01-09 12:30 ` Joseph Myers
2020-01-10 15:27 ` Joseph Myers
2020-01-11 7:06 ` Gerald Pfeifer
2020-01-14 8:21 ` Jeff Law
2019-12-26 22:33 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-26 19:16 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-26 20:08 ` Alexandre Oliva
2019-12-26 20:28 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-27 12:06 ` Alexandre Oliva
2019-12-27 12:21 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-28 2:33 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-26 21:19 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-25 12:10 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-25 14:13 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-29 16:47 ` Mark Wielaard
2019-12-29 22:42 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 16:27 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16 16:47 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 16:04 ` Jeff Law
2019-12-16 16:37 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16 16:47 ` Jeff Law
2019-12-31 13:43 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-31 14:13 ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-31 17:26 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 13:56 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 14:17 ` Mark Wielaard
2019-12-16 16:29 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 13:53 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 16:39 ` Jeff Law
2019-12-16 17:57 ` Richard Biener
2019-12-16 16:55 ` Jeff Law
2019-12-16 17:08 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 19:15 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16 21:59 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 22:14 ` Jeff Law
2019-12-16 22:42 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 23:26 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 23:44 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-18 18:07 ` Jeff Law
2019-12-18 18:24 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-19 0:57 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-18 19:50 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-18 20:43 ` Jeff Law
2019-12-20 16:28 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-19 2:34 ` Unix philosopy vs. poor semantic locality Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-19 3:16 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-19 5:46 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-19 0:46 ` Proposal for the transition timetable for the move to GIT Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16 23:34 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16 23:18 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 23:19 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-18 17:27 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 13:33 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-09-19 17:04 ` Paul Koning
2019-10-25 14:02 ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-09-20 15:49 ` Jeff Law
2019-09-21 9:11 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-09-21 9:39 ` Andreas Schwab
2019-09-21 9:51 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-09-21 10:04 ` Andreas Schwab
2019-09-21 9:26 ` Segher Boessenkool
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