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From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: Joseph Myers <joseph@codesourcery.com>
Cc: Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Mark Wielaard <mark@klomp.org>,
	Maxim Kuvyrkov <maxim.kuvyrkov@linaro.org>,
	"Richard Earnshaw (lists)" <Richard.Earnshaw@arm.com>,
	gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: Proposal for the transition timetable for the move to GIT
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 16:27:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191216162756.GA118510@thyrsus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1912161407130.3352@digraph.polyomino.org.uk>

Joseph Myers <joseph@codesourcery.com>:
>                             When we're talking about something to be used 
> for the next 20 years we should make sure to get it right.

Segher and others should note that I'm not in the habit of sinking most of
a year of my time into problems that I don't think are extremely
important. This conversion *is* that important.

> conversions with an ad hoc script need much more thorough, trickier 
> validation because you don't benefit from knowing the tool has worked for 
> other conversions).

Nor, as far as I am aware, do the scripts have anything resembling
reposurgeon's test suite.

Segher Boessenkool:
> > If the reposurgeon conversion is not ready now, then it is too late
> > to be selected.

Maxim's conversion pipeline isn't ready either -- there are known
bugs with its result. Does that mean it's too late to select Maxim's
conversion? If so, what do you propose be done?

Please stop bellyaching and pitch in. Whether it's by fixing up
Maxim's conversion, helping improve the reposurgeon one,
or writing a conversion method of your own - I don't much care
and it's not my job to tell you what to do, anyway. Any of those
choices might be helpful; sniping from the sidelines is not.
-- 
		<a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>


  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-12-16 16:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 198+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-17 12:02 Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-09-17 12:24 ` Richard Biener
2019-09-17 13:50   ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-09-17 16:35   ` Joseph Myers
2019-09-17 17:51     ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-09-17 16:33 ` Joseph Myers
2019-09-19 12:04 ` Janne Blomqvist
2019-09-19 14:43   ` Damian Rouson
2019-09-19 15:30     ` Janne Blomqvist
2019-10-25 14:10     ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-10-25 16:32       ` Jeff Law
2019-09-19 15:30   ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-09-19 15:49     ` Damian Rouson
2019-09-19 15:35 ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-06 14:44   ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-06 17:21     ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-06 17:39       ` Richard Biener
2019-12-06 19:46         ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-06 20:43           ` Sandra Loosemore
2019-12-07  2:57           ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-09 18:19           ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-09 18:40             ` Bernd Schmidt
2019-12-09 20:45               ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-09 22:12               ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-09 19:28             ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-11 14:40             ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-11 15:03               ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-11 15:19                 ` Jonathan Wakely
2019-12-11 15:21                   ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-11 15:36                     ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-11 16:02                       ` Jonathan Wakely
2019-12-11 17:47                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16  2:19                       ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-11 15:30                   ` Dennis Luehring
2019-12-11 15:36                     ` Richard Earnshaw
2019-12-11 17:36                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-06 20:49       ` Bernd Schmidt
2019-12-16  9:53     ` Mark Wielaard
2019-12-16 11:29       ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 12:43         ` Mark Wielaard
2019-12-16 13:36           ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 13:54             ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16 14:05               ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 14:13                 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 15:37                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 16:36                     ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 17:40                     ` Jeff Law
2019-12-25  8:12                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2019-12-25 12:07                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-25 12:24                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-25 14:16                             ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-25 18:50                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-25 19:18                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-26  6:09                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2019-12-26 11:04                             ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-26 11:17                               ` Jakub Jelinek
2019-12-26 12:10                                 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-26 16:11                                 ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-26 16:58                                   ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-26 18:36                                     ` Jakub Jelinek
2019-12-26 18:59                                       ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-27 11:21                                         ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-27 11:33                                           ` Andrew Pinski
2019-12-27 13:35                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-27 11:35                                           ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-27 12:37                                             ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-28  2:27                                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-28 11:23                                                 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-28 12:19                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-28 17:11                                               ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-28 20:28                                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-29  1:45                                                   ` Julien "FrnchFrgg" Rivaud
2019-12-29 10:41                                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-29 11:02                                                       ` Richard Biener
2019-12-29 11:47                                                         ` Julien '_FrnchFrgg_' RIVAUD
2019-12-29 13:31                                                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-29 13:51                                                             ` Julien '_FrnchFrgg_' RIVAUD
2019-12-29 12:15                                                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-29 16:32                                                           ` Richard Earnshaw
2019-12-29 16:37                                                             ` Julien '_FrnchFrgg_' RIVAUD
2019-12-29 11:42                                                       ` Julien '_FrnchFrgg_' RIVAUD
2019-12-29 13:26                                                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-29 13:48                                                           ` Julien '_FrnchFrgg_' RIVAUD
2019-12-29 15:01                                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-29 17:31                                                             ` Ian Lance Taylor via gcc
2019-12-30  0:31                                                               ` Julien "FrnchFrgg" Rivaud
2019-12-29 21:31                                                           ` Thomas Koenig
2019-12-29 23:57                                                             ` Jeff Law
2019-12-27 13:29                                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-26 20:31                                     ` Richard Biener
2019-12-27  1:32                                     ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-27 10:14                                       ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-28  1:55                                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-29 18:31                                   ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-29 18:55                                     ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-29 22:47                                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-29 23:00                                         ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-29 23:13                                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-30 15:36                                             ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-30 22:37                                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-30 22:58                                                 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-31  0:23                                                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-31 12:48                                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-31  3:09                                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-29 22:24                                     ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-30  0:18                                       ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-30  0:44                                         ` Julien "FrnchFrgg" Rivaud
2019-12-30 12:39                                         ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-30 13:01                                       ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-30 15:31                                         ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-30 15:49                                           ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-30 16:08                                             ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2020-01-02  2:59                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2020-01-02 10:58                                                 ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2020-01-08 20:46                                               ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2020-01-08 22:11                                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2020-01-08 23:34                                                   ` Joseph Myers
2020-01-09  2:38                                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-01-09 12:12                                                       ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2020-01-09 14:01                                                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2020-01-11 11:30                                                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-01-10  7:33                                                       ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2020-01-10  9:49                                                         ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2020-01-10 11:38                                                           ` Richard Biener
2020-01-10 12:09                                                             ` Iain Sandoe
2020-01-10 13:11                                                               ` Joseph Myers
2020-01-10 12:53                                                             ` Nathan Sidwell
2020-01-10 14:13                                                               ` Martin Liška
2020-01-11 11:57                                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-01-11 11:52                                                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-01-10 13:31                                                         ` Bernd Schmidt
2020-01-10 15:27                                                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2020-01-10 15:09                                                         ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2020-01-10 15:16                                                           ` Joseph Myers
2020-01-10 15:33                                                             ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2020-01-11  7:04                                                               ` Gerald Pfeifer
2020-01-09  5:07                                                     ` Jeff Law
2020-01-09 12:30                                                       ` Joseph Myers
2020-01-10 15:27                                                         ` Joseph Myers
2020-01-11  7:06                                                         ` Gerald Pfeifer
2020-01-14  8:21                                                         ` Jeff Law
2019-12-26 22:33                                 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-26 19:16                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-26 20:08                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2019-12-26 20:28                                 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-27 12:06                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2019-12-27 12:21                                     ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-28  2:33                                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-26 21:19                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-25 12:10                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-25 14:13                           ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-29 16:47                           ` Mark Wielaard
2019-12-29 22:42                             ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 16:27                   ` Eric S. Raymond [this message]
2019-12-16 16:47                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 16:04               ` Jeff Law
2019-12-16 16:37                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16 16:47                   ` Jeff Law
2019-12-31 13:43                     ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-31 14:13                       ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-31 17:26                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 13:56             ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 14:17               ` Mark Wielaard
2019-12-16 16:29                 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 13:53           ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 16:39             ` Jeff Law
2019-12-16 17:57               ` Richard Biener
2019-12-16 16:55         ` Jeff Law
2019-12-16 17:08           ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 19:15             ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16 21:59             ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 22:14               ` Jeff Law
2019-12-16 22:42                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 23:26                   ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 23:44                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-18 18:07                   ` Jeff Law
2019-12-18 18:24                     ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-19  0:57                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-18 19:50                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-18 20:43                       ` Jeff Law
2019-12-20 16:28                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-19  2:34                       ` Unix philosopy vs. poor semantic locality Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-19  3:16                         ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-19  5:46                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-19  0:46                     ` Proposal for the transition timetable for the move to GIT Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16 23:34                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16 23:18               ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 23:19               ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-18 17:27                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 13:33       ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-09-19 17:04 ` Paul Koning
2019-10-25 14:02   ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-09-20 15:49 ` Jeff Law
2019-09-21  9:11   ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-09-21  9:39     ` Andreas Schwab
2019-09-21  9:51       ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-09-21 10:04         ` Andreas Schwab
2019-09-21  9:26 ` Segher Boessenkool

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