From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 67370 invoked by alias); 16 Dec 2019 16:27:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: Sender: gcc-owner@gcc.gnu.org Received: (qmail 67333 invoked by uid 89); 16 Dec 2019 16:27:59 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 spammy=helping, extremely, Whether, HX-Languages-Length:1331 X-HELO: snark.thyrsus.com Received: from thyrsus.com (HELO snark.thyrsus.com) (71.162.243.5) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with ESMTP; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 16:27:57 +0000 Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3F7C14704C33; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 11:27:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 16:27:00 -0000 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: Joseph Myers Cc: Segher Boessenkool , Mark Wielaard , Maxim Kuvyrkov , "Richard Earnshaw (lists)" , gcc@gcc.gnu.org Subject: Re: Proposal for the transition timetable for the move to GIT Message-ID: <20191216162756.GA118510@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com References: <1685e719-738f-dd4e-c39c-c08e495b202e@arm.com> <9E009921-96EA-44A2-A06A-232711227E69@linaro.org> <20191216133632.GC3152@gate.crashing.org> <20191216135451.GA3142@thyrsus.com> <20191216140514.GD3152@gate.crashing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-IsSubscribed: yes X-SW-Source: 2019-12/txt/msg00238.txt.bz2 Joseph Myers : > When we're talking about something to be used > for the next 20 years we should make sure to get it right. Segher and others should note that I'm not in the habit of sinking most of a year of my time into problems that I don't think are extremely important. This conversion *is* that important. > conversions with an ad hoc script need much more thorough, trickier > validation because you don't benefit from knowing the tool has worked for > other conversions). Nor, as far as I am aware, do the scripts have anything resembling reposurgeon's test suite. Segher Boessenkool: > > If the reposurgeon conversion is not ready now, then it is too late > > to be selected. Maxim's conversion pipeline isn't ready either -- there are known bugs with its result. Does that mean it's too late to select Maxim's conversion? If so, what do you propose be done? Please stop bellyaching and pitch in. Whether it's by fixing up Maxim's conversion, helping improve the reposurgeon one, or writing a conversion method of your own - I don't much care and it's not my job to tell you what to do, anyway. Any of those choices might be helpful; sniping from the sidelines is not. -- Eric S. Raymond