public inbox for gcc@gcc.gnu.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Alexandre Oliva <oliva@gnu.org>
Cc: Jeff Law <law@redhat.com>, Joseph Myers <joseph@codesourcery.com>,
	       "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>,
	Mark Wielaard <mark@klomp.org>,
	       Maxim Kuvyrkov <maxim.kuvyrkov@linaro.org>,
	       "Richard Earnshaw (lists)" <Richard.Earnshaw@arm.com>,
	gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: Proposal for the transition timetable for the move to GIT
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 12:10:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191225121024.GK4505@gate.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <or36d83jv0.fsf@livre.home>

Hi!

On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 05:11:31AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote:
> On Dec 16, 2019, Jeff Law <law@redhat.com> wrote:
> > Yet Joseph just indicated today Maxim's conversion is missing some
> > branches.  While I don't consider any of the missed branches important,
> > others might.   More importantly, it raises the issue of what other
> > branches might be missing and what validation work has been done on
> > that conversion.
> 
> It also raises another issue, namely the ability to *incrementally* fix
> such problems should we find them after the switch-over.
> 
> I've got enough experience with git-svn to tell that, if it missed a
> branch for whatever reason, it is reasonably easy to create a
> configuration that will enable it to properly identify the point of
> creation of the branch, and bring in subsequent changes to the branch,
> in such a way that the newly-converted branch can be easily pushed onto
> live git so that it becomes indistinguishable from other branches that
> had been converted before.

git-svn did not miss any branches.  Finding branches is not done by
git-svn at all, for this.  These branches were skipped because they
have nothing to do with GCC, have no history in common (they are not
descendants of revision 1).  They can easily be added -- Maxim might
already have done that, not sure, imo it's better to just drop the
garbage, it's in svn if anyone cares.

> I know very little about reposurgeon, but I'm concerned that, should we
> make the conversion with it, and later identify e.g. missed branches, we
> might be unable to make such an incremental recovery.  Can anyone
> alleviate my concerns and let me know we could indeed make such an
> incremental recovery of a branch missed in the initial conversion, in
> such a way that its commit history would be shared with that of the
> already-converted branch it branched from?

Git of course allows you to transplant whatever you want.  Whether it
is easy with reposurgeon to convert just some branches, I have no idea.
With some Git jiujitsu it can be done, of course.

> Anyway, hopefully we won't have to go through that.  Having not just one
> but *two* fully independent conversions of the SVN repo to GIT, using
> different tools, makes it a lot less likely that whatever result we
> choose contains a significant error, as both can presumably help catch
> conversion errors in each other, and the odds that both independent
> implementations make the same error are pretty thin, I'd think.

We need to make a good comparison between the two.  This is needed so
we can choose what conversion to use finally, but also to verify both
options (and various sub-options).

Ideally they will become identical :-)

> Now, would it be too much of a burden to insist that the commit graphs
> out of both conversions be isomorphic, and maybe mappings between the
> commit ids (if they can't be made identical to begin with, that is) be
> generated and shared,

Each conversion has a mapping of svn ids to git commits --  that is
part of the deliverable!

> so that the results of both conversions can be
> efficiently and mechanically compared (disregarding expected
> differences) not only in terms of branch and tag names and commit
> graphs, but also tree contents, commit messages and any other metadata?
> Has anything like this been done yet?

I haven't seen such a thing yet, no.


Segher

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-12-25 12:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 198+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-17 12:02 Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-09-17 12:24 ` Richard Biener
2019-09-17 13:50   ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-09-17 16:35   ` Joseph Myers
2019-09-17 17:51     ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-09-17 16:33 ` Joseph Myers
2019-09-19 12:04 ` Janne Blomqvist
2019-09-19 14:43   ` Damian Rouson
2019-09-19 15:30     ` Janne Blomqvist
2019-10-25 14:10     ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-10-25 16:32       ` Jeff Law
2019-09-19 15:30   ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-09-19 15:49     ` Damian Rouson
2019-09-19 15:35 ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-06 14:44   ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-06 17:21     ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-06 17:39       ` Richard Biener
2019-12-06 19:46         ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-06 20:43           ` Sandra Loosemore
2019-12-07  2:57           ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-09 18:19           ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-09 18:40             ` Bernd Schmidt
2019-12-09 20:45               ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-09 22:12               ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-09 19:28             ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-11 14:40             ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-11 15:03               ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-11 15:19                 ` Jonathan Wakely
2019-12-11 15:21                   ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-11 15:36                     ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-11 16:02                       ` Jonathan Wakely
2019-12-11 17:47                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16  2:19                       ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-11 15:30                   ` Dennis Luehring
2019-12-11 15:36                     ` Richard Earnshaw
2019-12-11 17:36                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-06 20:49       ` Bernd Schmidt
2019-12-16  9:53     ` Mark Wielaard
2019-12-16 11:29       ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 12:43         ` Mark Wielaard
2019-12-16 13:36           ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 13:54             ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16 14:05               ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 14:13                 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 15:37                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 16:36                     ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 17:40                     ` Jeff Law
2019-12-25  8:12                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2019-12-25 12:07                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-25 12:24                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-25 14:16                             ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-25 18:50                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-25 19:18                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-26  6:09                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2019-12-26 11:04                             ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-26 11:17                               ` Jakub Jelinek
2019-12-26 12:10                                 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-26 16:11                                 ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-26 16:58                                   ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-26 18:36                                     ` Jakub Jelinek
2019-12-26 18:59                                       ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-27 11:21                                         ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-27 11:33                                           ` Andrew Pinski
2019-12-27 13:35                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-27 11:35                                           ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-27 12:37                                             ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-28  2:27                                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-28 11:23                                                 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-28 12:19                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-28 17:11                                               ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-28 20:28                                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-29  1:45                                                   ` Julien "FrnchFrgg" Rivaud
2019-12-29 10:41                                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-29 11:02                                                       ` Richard Biener
2019-12-29 11:47                                                         ` Julien '_FrnchFrgg_' RIVAUD
2019-12-29 13:31                                                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-29 13:51                                                             ` Julien '_FrnchFrgg_' RIVAUD
2019-12-29 12:15                                                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-29 16:32                                                           ` Richard Earnshaw
2019-12-29 16:37                                                             ` Julien '_FrnchFrgg_' RIVAUD
2019-12-29 11:42                                                       ` Julien '_FrnchFrgg_' RIVAUD
2019-12-29 13:26                                                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-29 13:48                                                           ` Julien '_FrnchFrgg_' RIVAUD
2019-12-29 15:01                                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-29 17:31                                                             ` Ian Lance Taylor via gcc
2019-12-30  0:31                                                               ` Julien "FrnchFrgg" Rivaud
2019-12-29 21:31                                                           ` Thomas Koenig
2019-12-29 23:57                                                             ` Jeff Law
2019-12-27 13:29                                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-26 20:31                                     ` Richard Biener
2019-12-27  1:32                                     ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-27 10:14                                       ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-28  1:55                                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-29 18:31                                   ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-29 18:55                                     ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-29 22:47                                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-29 23:00                                         ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-29 23:13                                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-30 15:36                                             ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-30 22:37                                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-30 22:58                                                 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-31  0:23                                                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-31 12:48                                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-31  3:09                                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-29 22:24                                     ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-30  0:18                                       ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-30  0:44                                         ` Julien "FrnchFrgg" Rivaud
2019-12-30 12:39                                         ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-30 13:01                                       ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-30 15:31                                         ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-30 15:49                                           ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-30 16:08                                             ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2020-01-02  2:59                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2020-01-02 10:58                                                 ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2020-01-08 20:46                                               ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2020-01-08 22:11                                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2020-01-08 23:34                                                   ` Joseph Myers
2020-01-09  2:38                                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-01-09 12:12                                                       ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2020-01-09 14:01                                                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2020-01-11 11:30                                                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-01-10  7:33                                                       ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2020-01-10  9:49                                                         ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2020-01-10 11:38                                                           ` Richard Biener
2020-01-10 12:09                                                             ` Iain Sandoe
2020-01-10 13:11                                                               ` Joseph Myers
2020-01-10 12:53                                                             ` Nathan Sidwell
2020-01-10 14:13                                                               ` Martin Liška
2020-01-11 11:57                                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-01-11 11:52                                                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-01-10 13:31                                                         ` Bernd Schmidt
2020-01-10 15:27                                                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2020-01-10 15:09                                                         ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2020-01-10 15:16                                                           ` Joseph Myers
2020-01-10 15:33                                                             ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2020-01-11  7:04                                                               ` Gerald Pfeifer
2020-01-09  5:07                                                     ` Jeff Law
2020-01-09 12:30                                                       ` Joseph Myers
2020-01-10 15:27                                                         ` Joseph Myers
2020-01-11  7:06                                                         ` Gerald Pfeifer
2020-01-14  8:21                                                         ` Jeff Law
2019-12-26 22:33                                 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-26 19:16                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-26 20:08                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2019-12-26 20:28                                 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-27 12:06                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2019-12-27 12:21                                     ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-28  2:33                                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-26 21:19                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-25 12:10                         ` Segher Boessenkool [this message]
2019-12-25 14:13                           ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-29 16:47                           ` Mark Wielaard
2019-12-29 22:42                             ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 16:27                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16 16:47                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 16:04               ` Jeff Law
2019-12-16 16:37                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16 16:47                   ` Jeff Law
2019-12-31 13:43                     ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-31 14:13                       ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-31 17:26                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 13:56             ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 14:17               ` Mark Wielaard
2019-12-16 16:29                 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 13:53           ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 16:39             ` Jeff Law
2019-12-16 17:57               ` Richard Biener
2019-12-16 16:55         ` Jeff Law
2019-12-16 17:08           ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 19:15             ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16 21:59             ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 22:14               ` Jeff Law
2019-12-16 22:42                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 23:26                   ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 23:44                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-18 18:07                   ` Jeff Law
2019-12-18 18:24                     ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-19  0:57                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-18 19:50                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-18 20:43                       ` Jeff Law
2019-12-20 16:28                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-19  2:34                       ` Unix philosopy vs. poor semantic locality Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-19  3:16                         ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-19  5:46                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-19  0:46                     ` Proposal for the transition timetable for the move to GIT Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16 23:34                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16 23:18               ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 23:19               ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-18 17:27                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 13:33       ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-09-19 17:04 ` Paul Koning
2019-10-25 14:02   ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-09-20 15:49 ` Jeff Law
2019-09-21  9:11   ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-09-21  9:39     ` Andreas Schwab
2019-09-21  9:51       ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-09-21 10:04         ` Andreas Schwab
2019-09-21  9:26 ` Segher Boessenkool

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20191225121024.GK4505@gate.crashing.org \
    --to=segher@kernel.crashing.org \
    --cc=Richard.Earnshaw@arm.com \
    --cc=esr@thyrsus.com \
    --cc=gcc@gcc.gnu.org \
    --cc=joseph@codesourcery.com \
    --cc=law@redhat.com \
    --cc=mark@klomp.org \
    --cc=maxim.kuvyrkov@linaro.org \
    --cc=oliva@gnu.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for read-only IMAP folder(s) and NNTP newsgroup(s).