From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from vlsi1.gnat.com (vlsi1.gnat.com [IPv6:2620:20:4000:0:250:56ff:fe95:277b]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDED4385800A for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2021 17:59:13 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org BDED4385800A Received: by vlsi1.gnat.com (Postfix, from userid 3004) id 5A85233CAC; Sun, 4 Apr 2021 13:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2021 13:59:13 EDT To: giacomo@tesio.it Subject: Re: RMS removed from the GCC Steering Committee Cc: gcc@gcc.gnu.org, iant@google.com, nathan@acm.org In-Reply-To: <952F2E0A-1E9F-4D21-A6F5-577CEDE0DF8A@tesio.it> References: <20210401011133.00001e9c@tesio.it> <20210401020415.00002c77@tesio.it> <20210402120541.000068a5@tesio.it> <20210403193133.00005b3d@tesio.it> <20210404134957.810FB33CAC@vlsi1.gnat.com> <952F2E0A-1E9F-4D21-A6F5-577CEDE0DF8A@tesio.it> Message-Id: <20210404175913.5A85233CAC@vlsi1.gnat.com> From: kenner@vlsi1.ultra.nyu.edu (Richard Kenner) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY, KAM_SHORT, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_NONE, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2021 17:59:15 -0000 > Yet enough to slow down certain developments such as Nathan's libcody > or the plugin framework. The SC had no role in that, as was discussed here. > You can also put trustworthy and credible observers to protect the > interests of the global Free Software movement. How is an "observer" going to influence which people are willing to spend their time developing software and how much time they're willing spend? As a practical matter, the direction of any Free Software project is dictated by those who actually work on it from day to day and who pays for their time, not by groups like the SC or the maintainers. > > > Except that the President of FSF (and Chief GNUissance himself) was > > > receiving copy of all the communications of the Steering Committee. > > > > Do we know this as a fact? > > Ian wrote so in his response to Nathan. > https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc/2021-April/235269.html That says he was "involved in SC discussions", which to me, means that he *didn't* get a copy of all their communications. If somebody says they're a member of the XYZ committee and "involved Bob in our discussions", to me, that means that Bob is *not* in the committee and doesn't get all committee communications, but that they chose to involve him in some of their discussions. > The removal of Stallman revealed a huge issue in GCC. > Maybe you can't see it. Maybe you don't want to see it. > But it's evident to any seasoned programmer outside the US. I just don't see it as a "removal". RMS is still in charge of the GNU project. That means that he, at some level, is involved in every GNU project, including GCC. As a practical matter, that involvement was very slight and still is. I don't see any change whatsoever in the day-to-day operations of GCC.