From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [IPv6:2001:470:142:3::e]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 510063854813 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 16:25:53 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 510063854813 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=darrington.wattle.id.au Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=gcc-refused-email@gnu.org Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48364) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lUAza-0004bY-0n; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 12:25:35 -0400 Received: from de.cellform.com ([88.217.224.109]:49904 helo=jocasta.intra) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lUAzL-0004ec-LE; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 12:25:11 -0400 Received: from jocasta.intra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jocasta.intra (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-14~deb10u1) with ESMTPS id 137GOtsF022927 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 7 Apr 2021 18:24:55 +0200 Received: (from john@localhost) by jocasta.intra (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 137GOs1q022925; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 18:24:54 +0200 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 18:24:54 +0200 From: John Darrington To: David Malcolm Cc: "Alfred M. Szmidt" , gcc@gnu.org, Mark Wielaard Subject: Re: GCC association with the FSF Message-ID: <20210407162454.GA22759@jocasta.intra> References: <20210330151656.00007e20@tesio.it> <20210330232849.00001697@tesio.it> <20210331113417.GU2685@wildebeest.org> <20210406222225.GF2711@wildebeest.org> <6aca6d2f057a5bbbd23016c1518f1beeef1c1f96.camel@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <6aca6d2f057a5bbbd23016c1518f1beeef1c1f96.camel@redhat.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=88.217.224.109; envelope-from=john@darrington.wattle.id.au; helo=jocasta.intra X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, KAM_SHORT, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2021 16:25:56 -0000 On Wed, Apr 07, 2021 at 11:15:14AM -0400, David Malcolm via Gcc wrote: > It reflects the same message that has been sent to new GNU > maintainers > for the decades. The GNU structure and organization document > (https://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-structure.en.html) is basically a > reflection of that, and how we have been doing things for decades. "We've always done it this way" is not necessarily a good defence of an existing practice. You are right. The GNU Structure document doesn't claim to be. It just documents the way things are. > That is true, RMS appoints which projects become GNU projects or not, > and who maintains them.  And as maintainers we have a lot of freedom, > as > can be seen here, and elsewhere.  What you're describing sounds like a dictatorship to me. ???? I cannot see how you reach that conclusion. I don't think you get to speak for who is or is not a member of the GNU project. As far as I know, "GNU" isn't trademarked. It certainly used to be, unless those guys at the FSF have let it lapse again. J'