From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: Nathan Sidwell <nathan@acm.org>
Cc: "gcc@gcc.gnu.org" <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:06:10 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210414150610.GC4138043@thyrsus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <093dbfde-a7b5-a55c-8a03-3e82460bce67@acm.org>
Nathan Sidwell <nathan@acm.org>:
> I'd just like to eject the jerks, because they make the place unwelcoming.
I understand the impulse. The problem is that there is actually a value
conflict between being "welcoming" in that sense and the actual purpose
of this list, which is to ship code.
It's a much more direct conflict in the hacker culture than elsewhere
because so many potential contributors are high-functioning autists.
That makes the downstream consequences of politeness enforcement a lot more
damaging to the project's ability to ship code than they would otherwise be.
There is a hypothetical world, of course, in which jerks and assholes
are such a huge problem that they interfere measurably with shipping
code. But contemplete the amount of angry verbiage on this list
recently from people who could have been using their fingers typing
code, and I think it's clear that the amount of social friction
oroduced by attempts to eject the jerks will be far higher than if
you simply continued to tolerate them.
--
<a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>
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2021-04-14 12:27 Nathan Sidwell
2021-04-14 13:18 ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-14 13:28 ` Thomas Koenig
2021-04-14 13:38 ` Frosku
2021-04-14 13:45 ` Frosku
2021-04-14 14:49 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-14 14:57 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-14 15:10 ` Frosku
2021-04-14 15:08 ` Thomas Koenig
2021-04-14 15:25 ` Didier Kryn
2021-04-14 17:09 ` Jeff Law
2021-04-14 18:26 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-14 14:08 ` Nathan Sidwell
2021-04-14 15:06 ` Eric S. Raymond [this message]
2021-04-14 16:06 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-14 16:08 ` Jeff Law
2021-04-14 20:39 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-14 20:49 ` Christopher Jefferson
2021-04-14 20:49 ` Paul Koning
2021-04-14 21:38 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-15 0:13 ` Paul Koning
2021-04-15 0:40 ` Chris Punches
2021-04-14 22:40 ` Frosku
2021-04-14 23:19 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-14 23:28 ` Frosku
2021-04-14 23:36 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-14 23:39 ` Frosku
2021-04-15 0:03 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-22 22:04 ` Soul Studios
2021-04-15 14:00 ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-15 15:17 ` Iain Sandoe
2021-04-15 15:27 ` Paul Koning
2021-04-15 19:21 ` Iain Sandoe
2021-04-15 19:45 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 20:02 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-15 20:03 ` Iain Sandoe
2021-04-15 20:58 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-14 21:24 ` Jeff Law
2021-04-14 21:40 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-14 21:57 ` Patrick McGehearty
2021-04-15 6:00 ` Thomas Koenig
2021-04-15 16:18 ` Gabriel Ravier
2021-04-14 14:23 ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-14 14:54 ` Nathan Sidwell
2021-04-14 14:57 ` Frosku
2021-04-14 15:18 ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-14 15:21 ` Frosku
2021-04-14 15:21 ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-14 18:27 ` Joseph Myers
2021-04-14 20:02 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 13:49 ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-15 17:31 ` David Malcolm
2021-04-15 19:05 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-15 19:48 ` Gcc as callable libraries (was: removing toxic emailers) Thomas Koenig
2021-04-15 21:19 ` David Edelsohn
2021-04-15 21:31 ` David Malcolm
2021-04-15 21:51 ` David Malcolm
2021-04-15 19:27 ` removing toxic emailers Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 20:26 ` Chris Punches
2021-04-15 20:51 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-15 21:13 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 23:11 ` Frosku
2021-04-15 23:36 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 23:44 ` Frosku
2021-04-15 23:52 ` Paul Koning
2021-04-15 23:55 ` Frosku
2021-04-16 0:00 ` Joseph Myers
2021-04-15 23:52 ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-16 0:04 ` Frosku
2021-04-16 0:16 ` Joseph Myers
2021-04-16 0:41 ` Frosku
2021-04-16 1:04 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-16 0:48 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-17 9:09 ` Gerald Pfeifer
2021-04-17 11:56 ` Giacomo Tesio
2021-04-17 14:41 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-17 18:11 ` David Brown
2021-04-18 1:39 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-18 13:10 ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-18 14:51 ` David Malcolm
2021-04-18 15:59 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-18 18:24 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-04-18 19:13 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-18 20:10 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-04-19 0:54 ` Frosku
2021-04-18 19:06 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-18 20:22 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-04-19 1:10 ` Frosku
2021-04-19 2:42 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-19 6:29 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-19 6:31 ` Frosku
2021-04-19 15:06 ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-04-19 16:57 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-20 3:47 ` Frosku
2021-04-20 5:06 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-20 7:53 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-20 14:03 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-20 14:15 ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-20 14:22 ` David Brown
2021-04-20 14:30 ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-18 11:12 ` identifying toxic emailers (was: removing toxic emailers) Giacomo Tesio
2021-04-18 12:42 ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-18 13:23 ` Giacomo Tesio
2021-04-17 13:57 ` removing toxic emailers Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 21:13 ` David Malcolm
2021-04-15 23:21 ` JeanHeyd Meneide
2021-04-15 22:09 ` Christopher Jefferson
2021-04-15 22:40 ` Jeff Law
2021-04-15 23:28 ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-16 0:20 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-16 2:47 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-16 3:02 ` Frosku
2021-04-16 3:19 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-16 4:07 ` Frosku
2021-04-16 16:28 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-16 23:15 ` Frosku
2021-04-17 0:43 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-17 4:05 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-17 4:08 ` Frosku
2021-04-17 5:04 ` Andrew Pinski
2021-04-17 9:08 ` Giacomo Tesio
2021-04-17 9:41 ` Frosku
2021-04-17 15:07 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-17 5:35 ` Jeff Law
[not found] ` <e324569ac358127174e1ba08337166c4d9494883.camel@silogroup.org>
2021-04-17 7:53 ` Frosku
2021-04-17 8:27 ` Aaron Gyes
2021-04-17 8:36 ` Frosku
2021-04-17 9:04 ` Aaron Gyes
2021-04-17 9:08 ` Aaron Gyes
2021-04-17 9:29 ` Frosku
2021-04-17 9:25 ` Frosku
2021-04-17 14:21 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-17 12:41 ` Liu Hao
2021-04-17 15:16 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-17 9:29 ` Giacomo Tesio
2021-04-17 9:36 ` Frosku
2021-04-16 8:54 ` Iain Sandoe
2021-04-16 10:02 ` Thomas Koenig
[not found] ` <CAJWNc-7q+t1njvEow=a6QPD4uWA7htEZn=koRBNd3ziO4y8A-g@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <CAJWNc-6rDMvK12h8PcjrTZO5E-c4qNsh0SHQ0+kmGV71Jis67Q@mail.gmail.com>
2021-04-16 14:42 ` Iain Sandoe
2021-04-16 15:14 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-16 17:31 ` NightStrike
2021-04-16 4:09 ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-16 9:39 ` Kalamatee
2021-04-16 9:58 ` Frosku
2021-04-16 16:17 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-14 17:32 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-14 16:52 ` Martin Jambor
2021-04-14 18:19 ` Nathan Sidwell
2021-04-14 18:30 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-14 18:32 ` Paul Koning
2021-04-14 20:12 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 0:10 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 9:18 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-15 14:25 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 10:20 ` Aaron Gyes
2021-04-15 14:31 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-14 23:09 Adrian
2021-04-15 0:18 ` Soul Studios
2021-04-15 14:40 ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-15 22:49 ` Frosku
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