From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: Paul Koning <paulkoning@comcast.net>
Cc: Ian Lance Taylor <iant@google.com>, GCC Development <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 10:00:57 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210415140057.GB51340@thyrsus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <82189248-2E7D-46FF-A0A4-7C3D79463D54@comcast.net>
Paul Koning via Gcc <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>:
> > On Apr 14, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Ian Lance Taylor via Gcc <gcc@gcc.gnu.org> wrote:
> > So we don't get the choice between "everyone is welcome" and "some
> > people are kicked off the list." We get the choice between "some
> > people decline to participate because it is unpleasant" and "some
> > people are kicked off the list."
> >
> > Given the choice of which group of people are going to participate and
> > which group are not, which group do we want?
>
> My answer is "it depends". More precisely, in the past I would have
> favored those who decline because the environment is unpleasant --
> with the implied assumption being that their objections are
> reasonable. Given the emergency of cancel culture, that assumption
> is no longer automatically valid.
I concur on both counts.
You (the GCC project) are no longer in a situation where any random
person saying "your environment is hostile" is a reliable signal of a
real problem. Safetyism is being gamed by outsiders for purposes that
are not yours and have nothing to do with shipping good code.
Complaints need to be discounted accordingly, to a degree that would
not have been required before the development of a self-reinforcing
culture of complaint and rage-mobbing around 2014.
--
<a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-04-15 14:01 UTC|newest]
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2021-04-14 12:27 Nathan Sidwell
2021-04-14 13:18 ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-14 13:28 ` Thomas Koenig
2021-04-14 13:38 ` Frosku
2021-04-14 13:45 ` Frosku
2021-04-14 14:49 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-14 14:57 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-14 15:10 ` Frosku
2021-04-14 15:08 ` Thomas Koenig
2021-04-14 15:25 ` Didier Kryn
2021-04-14 17:09 ` Jeff Law
2021-04-14 18:26 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-14 14:08 ` Nathan Sidwell
2021-04-14 15:06 ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-14 16:06 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-14 16:08 ` Jeff Law
2021-04-14 20:39 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-14 20:49 ` Christopher Jefferson
2021-04-14 20:49 ` Paul Koning
2021-04-14 21:38 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-15 0:13 ` Paul Koning
2021-04-15 0:40 ` Chris Punches
2021-04-14 22:40 ` Frosku
2021-04-14 23:19 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-14 23:28 ` Frosku
2021-04-14 23:36 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-14 23:39 ` Frosku
2021-04-15 0:03 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-22 22:04 ` Soul Studios
2021-04-15 14:00 ` Eric S. Raymond [this message]
2021-04-15 15:17 ` Iain Sandoe
2021-04-15 15:27 ` Paul Koning
2021-04-15 19:21 ` Iain Sandoe
2021-04-15 19:45 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 20:02 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-15 20:03 ` Iain Sandoe
2021-04-15 20:58 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-14 21:24 ` Jeff Law
2021-04-14 21:40 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-14 21:57 ` Patrick McGehearty
2021-04-15 6:00 ` Thomas Koenig
2021-04-15 16:18 ` Gabriel Ravier
2021-04-14 14:23 ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-14 14:54 ` Nathan Sidwell
2021-04-14 14:57 ` Frosku
2021-04-14 15:18 ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-14 15:21 ` Frosku
2021-04-14 15:21 ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-14 18:27 ` Joseph Myers
2021-04-14 20:02 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 13:49 ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-15 17:31 ` David Malcolm
2021-04-15 19:05 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-15 19:48 ` Gcc as callable libraries (was: removing toxic emailers) Thomas Koenig
2021-04-15 21:19 ` David Edelsohn
2021-04-15 21:31 ` David Malcolm
2021-04-15 21:51 ` David Malcolm
2021-04-15 19:27 ` removing toxic emailers Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 20:26 ` Chris Punches
2021-04-15 20:51 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-15 21:13 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 23:11 ` Frosku
2021-04-15 23:36 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 23:44 ` Frosku
2021-04-15 23:52 ` Paul Koning
2021-04-15 23:55 ` Frosku
2021-04-16 0:00 ` Joseph Myers
2021-04-15 23:52 ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-16 0:04 ` Frosku
2021-04-16 0:16 ` Joseph Myers
2021-04-16 0:41 ` Frosku
2021-04-16 1:04 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-16 0:48 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-17 9:09 ` Gerald Pfeifer
2021-04-17 11:56 ` Giacomo Tesio
2021-04-17 14:41 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-17 18:11 ` David Brown
2021-04-18 1:39 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-18 13:10 ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-18 14:51 ` David Malcolm
2021-04-18 15:59 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-18 18:24 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-04-18 19:13 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-18 20:10 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-04-19 0:54 ` Frosku
2021-04-18 19:06 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-18 20:22 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-04-19 1:10 ` Frosku
2021-04-19 2:42 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-19 6:29 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-19 6:31 ` Frosku
2021-04-19 15:06 ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-04-19 16:57 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-20 3:47 ` Frosku
2021-04-20 5:06 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-20 7:53 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-20 14:03 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-20 14:15 ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-20 14:22 ` David Brown
2021-04-20 14:30 ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-18 11:12 ` identifying toxic emailers (was: removing toxic emailers) Giacomo Tesio
2021-04-18 12:42 ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-18 13:23 ` Giacomo Tesio
2021-04-17 13:57 ` removing toxic emailers Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 21:13 ` David Malcolm
2021-04-15 23:21 ` JeanHeyd Meneide
2021-04-15 22:09 ` Christopher Jefferson
2021-04-15 22:40 ` Jeff Law
2021-04-15 23:28 ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-16 0:20 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-16 2:47 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-16 3:02 ` Frosku
2021-04-16 3:19 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-16 4:07 ` Frosku
2021-04-16 16:28 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-16 23:15 ` Frosku
2021-04-17 0:43 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-17 4:05 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-17 4:08 ` Frosku
2021-04-17 5:04 ` Andrew Pinski
2021-04-17 9:08 ` Giacomo Tesio
2021-04-17 9:41 ` Frosku
2021-04-17 15:07 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-17 5:35 ` Jeff Law
[not found] ` <e324569ac358127174e1ba08337166c4d9494883.camel@silogroup.org>
2021-04-17 7:53 ` Frosku
2021-04-17 8:27 ` Aaron Gyes
2021-04-17 8:36 ` Frosku
2021-04-17 9:04 ` Aaron Gyes
2021-04-17 9:08 ` Aaron Gyes
2021-04-17 9:29 ` Frosku
2021-04-17 9:25 ` Frosku
2021-04-17 14:21 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-17 12:41 ` Liu Hao
2021-04-17 15:16 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-17 9:29 ` Giacomo Tesio
2021-04-17 9:36 ` Frosku
2021-04-16 8:54 ` Iain Sandoe
2021-04-16 10:02 ` Thomas Koenig
[not found] ` <CAJWNc-7q+t1njvEow=a6QPD4uWA7htEZn=koRBNd3ziO4y8A-g@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <CAJWNc-6rDMvK12h8PcjrTZO5E-c4qNsh0SHQ0+kmGV71Jis67Q@mail.gmail.com>
2021-04-16 14:42 ` Iain Sandoe
2021-04-16 15:14 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-16 17:31 ` NightStrike
2021-04-16 4:09 ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-16 9:39 ` Kalamatee
2021-04-16 9:58 ` Frosku
2021-04-16 16:17 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-14 17:32 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-14 16:52 ` Martin Jambor
2021-04-14 18:19 ` Nathan Sidwell
2021-04-14 18:30 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-14 18:32 ` Paul Koning
2021-04-14 20:12 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 0:10 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 9:18 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-15 14:25 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 10:20 ` Aaron Gyes
2021-04-15 14:31 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-14 23:09 Adrian
2021-04-15 0:18 ` Soul Studios
2021-04-15 14:40 ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-15 22:49 ` Frosku
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