From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from snark.thyrsus.com (thyrsus.com [71.162.243.5]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE2B33858031 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 23:53:05 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org EE2B33858031 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=thyrsus.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=esr@thyrsus.com Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4E579F84439; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 19:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 19:52:37 -0400 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: Christopher Dimech Cc: Frosku , GCC Development Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers Message-ID: <20210415235237.GA71223@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com References: <20210414142310.98E0833DD0@vlsi1.gnat.com> <20210414152112.GD4138043@thyrsus.com> <20210415134907.GA51340@thyrsus.com> <96db05d78cb1f829d0b3ce3026ac15a335fffd41.camel@redhat.com> <3e0b8d933eef3eb7f12e86bf6bc92dec6965065d.camel@silogroup.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 23:53:07 -0000 Christopher Dimech via Gcc : > The commercial use of free software is our hope, not our fear. When people > at IBM began to come to free software, wanting to recommend it and use it, > and maybe distribute it themselves or encourage other people to distribute > it for them, we did not criticise them for not being non-profit virtuous > enough, or said "we are suspicious of you", let alone threatening them. Actually, some of us did *exactly* those things late in the last century. One of the challenges I faced in my early famous years was persuading the hacker culture as a whole to treat the profit-centered parts of the economy as allies rather than enemies. I won't say that a *majority* of us were resistent to this, but I did have to work hard on the problem for a while, between 1997 and about 2003. -- Eric S. Raymond