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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Joseph Myers <joseph@codesourcery.com>
Cc: Alejandro Colomar <alx.manpages@gmail.com>, GCC <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>,
	Alejandro Colomar <alx@nginx.com>,
	Andrew Clayton <a.clayton@nginx.com>,
	Andrew Clayton <andrew@digital-domain.net>,
	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [wish] Flexible array members in unions
Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 14:13:06 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202305111410.CFE0875F@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <74ee73d2-04e-ea8-9430-93929446e925@codesourcery.com>

On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 08:53:52PM +0000, Joseph Myers wrote:
> On Thu, 11 May 2023, Kees Cook via Gcc wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 06:29:10PM +0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> > > On 5/11/23 18:07, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > > Would you allow flexible array members in unions?  Is there any
> > > > strong reason to disallow them?
> > 
> > Yes please!! And alone in a struct, too.
> > 
> > AFAICT, there is no mechanical/architectural reason to disallow them
> > (especially since they _can_ be constructed with some fancy tricks,
> > and they behave as expected.) My understanding is that it's disallowed
> > due to an overly strict reading of the very terse language that created
> > flexible arrays in C99.
> 
> Standard C has no such thing as a zero-size object or type, which would 
> lead to problems with a struct or union that only contains a flexible 
> array member there.

Ah-ha, okay. That root cause makes sense now.

Why are zero-sized objects missing in Standard C? Or, perhaps, the better
question is: what's needed to support the idea of a zero-sized object?

-- 
Kees Cook

  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-11 21:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-11 16:07 Alejandro Colomar
2023-05-11 16:29 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-05-11 19:07   ` Kees Cook
2023-05-11 20:53     ` Joseph Myers
2023-05-11 21:13       ` Kees Cook [this message]
2023-05-11 21:43         ` Joseph Myers
2023-05-11 22:16           ` Kees Cook
2023-05-11 22:52             ` Joseph Myers
2023-05-12  0:25               ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-05-12  7:49             ` Jonathan Wakely
2023-05-12  6:16         ` Richard Biener
2023-05-12 12:32           ` David Brown
2023-05-15 19:58           ` Qing Zhao
2023-05-18 16:25           ` Martin Uecker
2023-05-18 20:59             ` Qing Zhao
2023-05-19 12:08               ` Martin Uecker

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