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From: Jeffrey A Law <law@upchuck.cygnus.com>
To: Jamie Lokier <egcs@tantalophile.demon.co.uk>
Cc: "H.J. Lu" <hjl@lucon.org>,
	egcs@egcs.cygnus.com, GNU C Library <libc-hacker@cygnus.com>
Subject: Re: __register_frame_info & shared library compatibility
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 13:31:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <29431.923602811@upchuck> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <19990408222418.C21807@pcep-jamie.cern.ch>

  In message < 19990408222418.C21807@pcep-jamie.cern.ch >you write:
  > The danger is that we get locked in to including bloat in all binaries,
  > that can't ever be removed.  I'm interested in a solution to that long
  > term problem.  If we have to include the bloat in the interim to provide
  > binary compatibility, that is fine.
We already know at some point we will have to break binary compatibility in
the future to get some new C++ features.  That would be the time to drop the
old interfaces.

But in general, if an interface is added with external scope in libgcc, then it
has to stay indefinitely (until the next planned binary breakage).  Thus we
have to be a *LOT* more careful about what interfaces we put in that library --
we don't want to plan many binary breakages.


  > Though frankly, the bloat due to the redundant .eh_frame in C binaries
  > much more significant.  Is throwing an exception through C really
  > supposed to have defined behaviour?
?!?  I don't think we create eh_frames for C code by default now.  We do
if one specifies -fexceptions though.

jeff

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID
From: Jeffrey A Law <law@upchuck.cygnus.com>
To: Jamie Lokier <egcs@tantalophile.demon.co.uk>
Cc: "H.J. Lu" <hjl@lucon.org>,
	egcs@egcs.cygnus.com, GNU C Library <libc-hacker@cygnus.com>
Subject: Re: __register_frame_info & shared library compatibility
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 23:15:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <29431.923602811@upchuck> (raw)
Message-ID: <19990430231500.sKfDMi9A11gxX6bVFdCRWj0J_PXfcwlXS6vVSar1a54@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <19990408222418.C21807@pcep-jamie.cern.ch>

  In message < 19990408222418.C21807@pcep-jamie.cern.ch >you write:
  > The danger is that we get locked in to including bloat in all binaries,
  > that can't ever be removed.  I'm interested in a solution to that long
  > term problem.  If we have to include the bloat in the interim to provide
  > binary compatibility, that is fine.
We already know at some point we will have to break binary compatibility in
the future to get some new C++ features.  That would be the time to drop the
old interfaces.

But in general, if an interface is added with external scope in libgcc, then it
has to stay indefinitely (until the next planned binary breakage).  Thus we
have to be a *LOT* more careful about what interfaces we put in that library --
we don't want to plan many binary breakages.


  > Though frankly, the bloat due to the redundant .eh_frame in C binaries
  > much more significant.  Is throwing an exception through C really
  > supposed to have defined behaviour?
?!?  I don't think we create eh_frames for C code by default now.  We do
if one specifies -fexceptions though.

jeff

  reply	other threads:[~1999-04-08 13:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-04-07  5:14 Mark Kettenis
1999-04-07  5:33 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-07 18:11   ` John Polstra
1999-04-07 23:36     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-08  9:57       ` Jamie Lokier
1999-04-08 10:31         ` H.J. Lu
1999-04-08 12:44           ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-08 12:49             ` Jamie Lokier
1999-04-08 12:57               ` H.J. Lu
1999-04-08 13:12                 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-08 13:24                   ` Jamie Lokier
1999-04-08 13:31                     ` Jeffrey A Law [this message]
1999-04-08 13:42                       ` Jamie Lokier
1999-04-08 13:54                         ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15                           ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15                         ` Jamie Lokier
1999-04-30 23:15                       ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-08 14:38                     ` Eric Kidd
1999-04-30 23:15                       ` Eric Kidd
1999-04-30 23:15                     ` Jamie Lokier
1999-04-30 23:15                   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15                 ` H.J. Lu
1999-04-08 13:02               ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15                 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15               ` Jamie Lokier
1999-04-08 12:55             ` Jamie Lokier
1999-04-08 13:01               ` H.J. Lu
1999-04-08 13:25                 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-08 13:33                   ` Jamie Lokier
1999-04-08 13:47                     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15                       ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15                     ` Jamie Lokier
1999-04-30 23:15                   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15                 ` H.J. Lu
1999-04-08 13:05               ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15                 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15               ` Jamie Lokier
1999-04-30 23:15             ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15           ` H.J. Lu
1999-04-08 12:28         ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15           ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-21 11:53         ` David O'Brien
1999-04-21 12:00           ` Jamie Lokier
1999-04-21 13:02             ` David O'Brien
1999-04-21 13:20               ` Joe Buck
1999-04-21 13:33                 ` Marc Espie
1999-04-22 22:29                   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15                     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15                   ` Marc Espie
1999-04-30 23:15                 ` Joe Buck
1999-04-30 23:15               ` David O'Brien
1999-04-30 23:15             ` Jamie Lokier
1999-04-21 12:41           ` "all the world's not Linux" Joe Buck
1999-04-21 12:59             ` David O'Brien
1999-04-21 13:04               ` David Edelsohn
1999-04-30 23:15                 ` David Edelsohn
1999-04-30 23:15               ` David O'Brien
1999-04-30 23:15             ` Joe Buck
1999-04-30 23:15           ` __register_frame_info & shared library compatibility David O'Brien
1999-04-30 23:15         ` Jamie Lokier
1999-04-08 14:56       ` John Polstra
1999-04-08 15:58         ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15           ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-09 13:01         ` Philipp Thomas
1999-04-30 23:15           ` Philipp Thomas
1999-04-30 23:15         ` John Polstra
1999-04-30 23:15       ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15     ` John Polstra
1999-04-30 23:15   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15 ` Mark Kettenis
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1999-04-21 19:14 N8TM
1999-04-30 23:15 ` N8TM
1999-04-14  5:58 Mark Kettenis
1999-04-14 14:15 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-14 14:57   ` Mark Kettenis
1999-04-30 23:15     ` Mark Kettenis
1999-04-30 23:15   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15 ` Mark Kettenis
1999-04-09  4:49 Mark Kettenis
1999-04-10  1:41 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-10  6:41   ` Zack Weinberg
1999-04-11 21:21     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15       ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15     ` Zack Weinberg
1999-04-10  8:28   ` Mark Kettenis
1999-04-11 21:25     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-12  6:15       ` Zack Weinberg
1999-04-13 21:05         ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-13 23:16           ` Zack Weinberg
1999-04-13 23:38             ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15               ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15             ` Zack Weinberg
1999-04-30 23:15           ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15         ` Zack Weinberg
1999-04-30 23:15       ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15     ` Mark Kettenis
1999-04-30 23:15   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15 ` Mark Kettenis
1999-04-06 14:00 Eric Kidd
1999-04-06 14:16 ` Zack Weinberg
1999-04-06 14:52   ` Eric Kidd
1999-04-06 15:16     ` Zack Weinberg
1999-04-06 15:39       ` Eric Kidd
1999-04-06 15:51         ` Zack Weinberg
1999-04-06 16:14           ` Eric Kidd
1999-04-30 23:15             ` Eric Kidd
1999-04-07  1:35           ` Andreas Schwab
1999-04-07  6:32             ` Zack Weinberg
1999-04-30 23:15               ` Zack Weinberg
1999-04-30 23:15             ` Andreas Schwab
1999-04-30 23:15           ` Zack Weinberg
1999-04-30 23:15         ` Eric Kidd
1999-04-30 23:15       ` Zack Weinberg
1999-04-30 23:15     ` Eric Kidd
1999-04-06 16:58   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-06 17:35     ` Zack Weinberg
1999-04-06 17:55       ` H.J. Lu
1999-04-30 23:15         ` H.J. Lu
1999-04-07  2:10       ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-07  6:29         ` Zack Weinberg
1999-04-07  6:53           ` alex.buell
1999-04-30 23:15             ` alex.buell
1999-04-30 23:15           ` Zack Weinberg
1999-04-30 23:15         ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15       ` Zack Weinberg
1999-04-30 23:15     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15   ` Zack Weinberg
1999-04-06 17:04 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-04-30 23:15 ` Eric Kidd

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