From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mx.kolabnow.com (mx.kolabnow.com [95.128.36.41]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0CF54388A43F for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 15:04:29 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 0CF54388A43F Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=appliantology.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=rodgert@appliantology.com Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by ext-mx-out002.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ACBCA09; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 17:04:27 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kolabnow.com; h= message-id:references:in-reply-to:subject:subject:from:from:date :date:content-type:content-type:mime-version:received:received :received; s=dkim20160331; t=1618067066; x=1619881467; bh=enk0+C 4FCceskurOYE5TMWYl0MHZIx3QORkZBQbc0WU=; b=WGEVIKGcLGpU/BYPKV6IFu q/81YDxxXCQPRm4oW+AXeWHOSpqFU0KpGGH0c6pbU3e4n7tJYcQTRTOZh8ILp/st ORZBoMOKTXKgwCwJ99NkShoMVmsjJb3kggXYalqzRGfllC6G/0H/I4Qcd8yoi+JQ GR+Mylx/bc989m1N92b1/gObR+Bz0oSbyY1OC9eI+tgQm+WvjYqaVPDITxxb1csw eT49NEdMURpTbZYnVIT4a6s/5y9LFWt/0kIbupfx18HaZPIguV1dA6TdgD5MVBRz swMEQwNSUR5XmqL6esKzz4hK7agxdmlfGgNIO6COfqHku7vK+B5+hM0IJQHxCksD Cw0r8LIrTsC5OlXPa+zd4P9giMuVnG1pMF2EA05Bxc5ac7C6xV+xYTATgz31gJ1k RgFiJK11FxKU0099rLeIql2EfDjR4aOxi3I+7VM4QRUIXMy0rKQ202EXGTe2IyuV 8Bd7eq26x10AkliBkl8uKlW64cO0yg7Voo9cMIJ71H5DD32OodkB27W1vSVrUQGa PX/1HrzMn7D5qcgJ5SLBNKDZCEoWxrd3vb8tooSoXeOcG5FIdPVbSW4dF/6RZn/z 588y3qgw08A8Dp1nSJXRbuslqh//umXk7xmfeSiVxNqAhHxeTUx+yQpqk1snUgw0 XRCltyBuh8a26jRvojSTY= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mykolab.com X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, HTML_MESSAGE, KAM_SHORT, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_NONE, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from mx.kolabnow.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ext-mx-out002.mykolab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AqxNEPSh9VMJ; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 17:04:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from int-mx002.mykolab.com (unknown [10.9.13.2]) by ext-mx-out002.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9271E672; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 17:04:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from int-subm001.mykolab.com (unknown [10.9.37.1]) by int-mx002.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 983033CF5; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 17:04:24 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 08:04:22 -0700 From: Thomas Rodgers To: Jonathan Wakely Cc: Pankaj Jangid , gcc@gcc.gnu.org Subject: Re: GCC association with the FSF In-Reply-To: References: <20210407162454.GA22759@jocasta.intra> <20210408064528.GA10349@jocasta.intra> <94ca414af699bab851008f86f006db4bd8bf1929.camel@redhat.com> <20210408182128.GA19715@jocasta.intra> <5f532c131146b9c7549f03eac7a9da3a29db1a2e.camel@redhat.com> <20210409063749.GA8596@jocasta.intra> <04fa3173-9809-b905-8fa3-f6554b8ae7d7@hesbynett.no> <06eb8287-e6bb-270f-e5a5-730c10bb31ef@hesbynett.no> <20210409183631.GA29274@jocasta.intra> <69BA3B4D-C798-4700-B607-994588BD5D87@tesio.it> Message-ID: <3152a2058548d29589d2cead0c22038e@appliantology.com> X-Sender: rodgert@appliantology.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 15:04:30 -0000 On 2021-04-10 05:35, Jonathan Wakely via Gcc wrote: > On Sat, 10 Apr 2021, 12:57 Pankaj Jangid, > wrote: > > Jonathan Wakely via Gcc writes: > > You are clueless about what the SC actually does, or the control they > have over GCC. > I think, it would be great help if someone can document what the SC > does. https://gcc.gnu.org/steering.html They make decisions, they don't get to insert NSA backdoors on behalf of their employers without the rest of the project being aware. The idea that the SC members have a special ability to sneak such a change in, any more than any contributor, is just stupid. But I don't think he's seriously worried about that, he's just a Concern Troll raising nonsense concerns to derail any useful discussion from happening. The sooner he moves on to a new compiler he trusts, the better for everybody involved in GCC. Him too really, it's important to have trust in your toolchain...