From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from aye.elm.relay.mailchannels.net (aye.elm.relay.mailchannels.net [23.83.212.6]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 396B13858004 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2021 19:01:38 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 396B13858004 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=gotplt.org Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=siddhesh@gotplt.org X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|siddhesh@gotplt.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F6B64145C; Sun, 28 Mar 2021 19:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a33.g.dreamhost.com (100-105-161-106.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.105.161.106]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6AA156417F8; Sun, 28 Mar 2021 19:01:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|siddhesh@gotplt.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a33.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 100.105.161.106 (trex/6.1.1); Sun, 28 Mar 2021 19:01:36 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|siddhesh@gotplt.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Trail-Name: 2ba6038b2b415d5f_1616958096500_775669778 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1616958096500:2041735435 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1616958096500 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a33.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a33.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2DAF7E671; Sun, 28 Mar 2021 12:01:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=gotplt.org; h=subject:to :cc:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=gotplt.org; bh=/N9mHx 7KddLeEen1QDgzqwp4HDs=; b=al8or3E/WA5AMKvrHEQULYUb9sprycfrA9HAAc daboftjRo+AjE63cDvhxVuF6nwNJ+kRySUb8Pr2IzHN6HNrG3iyUzcjSAEGCTVB6 pSHT6Jw3vu3e25Pe0LMU5Pb/8T3c3Cc6YJ17y4tfaSYaDzCOSxivTfBrRyVyaTOp vY/zA= Received: from [192.168.1.111] (unknown [1.186.101.110]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: siddhesh@gotplt.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a33.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3C0BB7E66E; Sun, 28 Mar 2021 12:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee To: Alexandre Oliva Cc: Nathan Sidwell , GCC Development References: X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a33 From: Siddhesh Poyarekar Message-ID: <345606eb-b4d3-4117-bda1-4043e9596c7a@gotplt.org> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 00:31:27 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3030.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, NICE_REPLY_A, RCVD_IN_BARRACUDACENTRAL, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 19:01:39 -0000 On 3/28/21 8:20 PM, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > Thanks for clarifying your understanding of Nathan's goal. > > I may indeed have misread and mistaken Nathan's goal and means. > > I thought the goal was to improve the GCC community by addressing the > gender imbalance, and that the means (misguided, IMHO) was to distance > ourselves from RMS. There's only one point of departure; you chose to interpret RMS' removal from the steering committee to be the solution while I (and others) have pointed out that it is a notable step in that direction. > Your assertiveness came across to me as a correction of my mistake, but > I didn't see any reason to prefer your understanding over mine, until > Nathan posted today's followup. My reading of every gcc contributor that has participated in this discussion seems to reinforce my understanding over yours. Not one of them has conveyed IMO that RMS' removal from the board will magically solve gender or diversity issues with the community. > Now it looks like you were right, but I still find that a little hard to > believe. Are you really sure about your understanding? > > Do you know for a fact that Nathan agrees with your understanding? > > Do you know with certainty of anyone else who shares that understanding > with you and him? In my opinion there is nothing to indicate from any of the contributors' statements that they see RMS' removal from the steering committee as a final solution to D&I issues in the GNU community. I'm happy to be corrected by others if they think I've misinterpreted their comments and if they indeed think that RMS' removal from the steering committee will solve all diversity issues. Siddhesh