* Using GNATS to track GCC patches @ 2001-11-05 9:58 Craig Rodrigues 2001-11-05 10:53 ` Neil Booth 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Craig Rodrigues @ 2001-11-05 9:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gcc Hi, I recall from the following thread that the idea of using GNATS to track patches in GCC came up: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2000-06/msg00264.html http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2000-06/msg00263.html Has anyone made any move to implement this? I think it is a very good idea, and would be willing to help implement it if others thought it was a good idea too. -- Craig Rodrigues http://www.gis.net/~craigr rodrigc@mediaone.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Using GNATS to track GCC patches 2001-11-05 9:58 Using GNATS to track GCC patches Craig Rodrigues @ 2001-11-05 10:53 ` Neil Booth 2001-11-06 19:29 ` Gerald Pfeifer 2001-11-07 4:08 ` Jakub Jelinek 0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Neil Booth @ 2001-11-05 10:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Craig Rodrigues; +Cc: gcc Craig Rodrigues wrote:- > I recall from the following thread that the idea > of using GNATS to track patches in GCC came up: > > http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2000-06/msg00264.html > http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2000-06/msg00263.html > > Has anyone made any move to implement this? It might be a good idea, but I don't think that enough people take GNATS seriously. Only 4 or 5 of us use it regularly, and I think it's fair to say that everyone with global write privs hardly uses it at all. Mark and rth seem to be the only ones that do, and only then very occasionally. So, I don't think this is a good idea at present, since it would just clutter up GNATS. I also feel that GNATS is a bit, um, flimsy and breaks easily, and is not heavy-duty enough for what we'd really like. We realy want proper bug cross-referencing, cross-dependency tracking, a proper idea of duplicates, etc, etc. much like Bugzilla does and GNATS doesn't appear to do at all. Neil. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Using GNATS to track GCC patches 2001-11-05 10:53 ` Neil Booth @ 2001-11-06 19:29 ` Gerald Pfeifer 2001-11-06 20:06 ` Joseph S. Myers 2001-11-07 4:08 ` Jakub Jelinek 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Gerald Pfeifer @ 2001-11-06 19:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Neil Booth; +Cc: Craig Rodrigues, gcc On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Neil Booth wrote: > It might be a good idea, but I don't think that enough people take > GNATS seriously. [...] > So, I don't think this is a good idea at present, since it would just > clutter up GNATS. I think it shouldn't necessarily be used for all patches, but for example for patches that -- for whatever reason -- have not been reviewed even after a reminder, to avoid those patches getting lost. Then, as part of the release process, we could commit to reviewing all GNATS reports of class "patches". Gerald -- Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Using GNATS to track GCC patches 2001-11-06 19:29 ` Gerald Pfeifer @ 2001-11-06 20:06 ` Joseph S. Myers 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Joseph S. Myers @ 2001-11-06 20:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Gerald Pfeifer; +Cc: gcc On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Gerald Pfeifer wrote: > Then, as part of the release process, we could commit to reviewing all > GNATS reports of class "patches". Why only those PRs? I think we should attempt to review all non-closed PRs - not just regressions and patches, but an actual attempt, for each PR, for someone competent in the relevant areas of the compiler to diagnose the cause of the problem and find a fix. This won't get completely done, even in the two month stabilization period, but the principle of actually looking at each PR would seem to be a good one. -- Joseph S. Myers jsm28@cam.ac.uk ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Using GNATS to track GCC patches 2001-11-05 10:53 ` Neil Booth 2001-11-06 19:29 ` Gerald Pfeifer @ 2001-11-07 4:08 ` Jakub Jelinek 2001-11-07 4:17 ` Joseph S. Myers 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Jakub Jelinek @ 2001-11-07 4:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Neil Booth; +Cc: Craig Rodrigues, gcc On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 06:12:30PM +0000, Neil Booth wrote: > I also feel that GNATS is a bit, um, flimsy and breaks easily, and is > not heavy-duty enough for what we'd really like. We realy want proper > bug cross-referencing, cross-dependency tracking, a proper idea of > duplicates, etc, etc. much like Bugzilla does and GNATS doesn't appear > to do at all. BTW: What's the reason why bugzilla isn't used instead? GNATS doesn't work at all with some browsers and I wonder what advantages does it give over bugzilla. Is it just political issue? Jakub ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Using GNATS to track GCC patches 2001-11-07 4:08 ` Jakub Jelinek @ 2001-11-07 4:17 ` Joseph S. Myers 2001-11-07 7:14 ` Bryce McKinlay 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Joseph S. Myers @ 2001-11-07 4:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jakub Jelinek; +Cc: gcc On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > BTW: What's the reason why bugzilla isn't used instead? GNATS doesn't work What was the status of bugzilla on 24 Aug 1999 (the date the GCC GNATS database started)? > at all with some browsers and I wonder what advantages does it give over > bugzilla. Is it just political issue? How does bugzilla compare to the wishlist I sent in <URL:http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-bugs/2001-10/msg00649.html>? Advocates of other bug tracking systems can answer for the ones they prefer. No-one on gnats-devel answered as to how GNATS 4 compares. -- Joseph S. Myers jsm28@cam.ac.uk ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Using GNATS to track GCC patches 2001-11-07 4:17 ` Joseph S. Myers @ 2001-11-07 7:14 ` Bryce McKinlay [not found] ` <3BF8CF07.E8ECFC3F@acter.ch> 2001-11-08 7:14 ` Phil Edwards 0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Bryce McKinlay @ 2001-11-07 7:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Joseph S. Myers; +Cc: Jakub Jelinek, gcc Joseph S. Myers wrote: >>at all with some browsers and I wonder what advantages does it give over >>bugzilla. Is it just political issue? >> While the GNATS system is somewhat better than nothing, I do not think that it fufills the needs of a large project like GCC well at all. I would very much like to see a better system installed, ie Bugzilla. >How does bugzilla compare to the wishlist I sent in ><URL:http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-bugs/2001-10/msg00649.html>? Advocates of >other bug tracking systems can answer for the ones they prefer. No-one on >gnats-devel answered as to how GNATS 4 compares. > Bugzilla fufills most of these wishes, although I'm actually not sure to the extend of which bugs can be administered through the email interface. Its email interface is much more powerful that GNATS though, eg you have lots of control over what bugs get emailed to you when the status changes etc. GNATS gives you no options here, which I have always hated. The bugzilla interface is much faster to navigate and more refined than the clunky GNATSweb, so I would argue there is less need for an email admin interface anyway. I may be able to devote some time to investigating bugzilla, say setting up a sample installation and importing the existing database. I think it could provide a huge benefit to GCC. Bugzilla is, I think, licensed under the MPL, which is GPL-incompatible for linking purposes. However, 1) the Apache license is also GPL-incompatible and this hasn't stopped the FSF from running Apache, and 2) The mozilla people are relicensing much of their code under an MPL/GPL/LGPL "triple license" - though afaik this hasn't been done for bugzilla yet at this stage. regards Bryce. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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* Re: Using GNATS to track GCC patches [not found] ` <3BF8D467.9010605@waitaki.otago.ac.nz> @ 2001-11-07 8:16 ` Adrian von Bidder 2001-11-08 7:31 ` Phil Edwards 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Adrian von Bidder @ 2001-11-07 8:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bryce McKinlay, gcc Bryce McKinlay wrote: [gcc bts publicly available] > It is. > > http://gcc.gnu.org/cgi-bin/gnatsweb.pl Ah. I see. I just didn't try to login - since I have no account I always stopped at the login page; it's not exactly inviting, is it? How about a notice about using guest/guest or whatever is proper if one hasn't got an account? So sorry everybody for this. greets from Zürich -- vbi ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Using GNATS to track GCC patches 2001-11-07 8:16 ` Adrian von Bidder @ 2001-11-08 7:31 ` Phil Edwards 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Phil Edwards @ 2001-11-08 7:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Adrian von Bidder; +Cc: Bryce McKinlay, gcc On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:54:47AM +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote: > > http://gcc.gnu.org/cgi-bin/gnatsweb.pl > > Ah. I see. > > I just didn't try to login - since I have no account I always stopped at > the login page; it's not exactly inviting, is it? How about a notice > about using guest/guest or whatever is proper if one hasn't got an > account? For that matter, if the username/password cookie(s) is(are) not present, why not just assume 'guest'/'guest' and proceed with anonymous login? The few people that actually have a GNATS account can always click "login again", and even that will only need to be done once (assuming they save the cookie). "Few" compared to the number of anonymous users, that is. Phil -- If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home and leave us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. - Samuel Adams ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Using GNATS to track GCC patches 2001-11-07 7:14 ` Bryce McKinlay [not found] ` <3BF8CF07.E8ECFC3F@acter.ch> @ 2001-11-08 7:14 ` Phil Edwards 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Phil Edwards @ 2001-11-08 7:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bryce McKinlay; +Cc: Joseph S. Myers, Jakub Jelinek, gcc On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 03:52:53PM +1300, Bryce McKinlay wrote: > status changes etc. GNATS gives you no options here, which I have always > hated. The bugzilla interface is much faster to navigate and more > refined than the clunky GNATSweb, so I would argue there is less need > for an email admin interface anyway. Structured email messages are easier to generate automatically (e.g., from scripts) than HTTP requests. For those of us who grew up in the Old School, using email commands can be far more productive then clicking through a web interface. Having said that, I'll add my vote for replacing GNTAS with... oh heck, just about anything. The few times I've used Bugzilla it was pretty nice (although that initial bug submission form is a tad intimidating, and it requires users to create an "account"). The system that Debian uses is very nice; for example, rather than sending follow-on data to a general email address and using a special string in the Subject line (a la foo/1234), in Debian you just send to the PR number (1234@bugs.blahblahblah.blah). Phil -- If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home and leave us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. - Samuel Adams ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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