Re: Typo.

Re: Typo.

[Robert Dewar]

or algorithm vs algorism :-)

Re: Typo.

[Kevin Handy]

Robert Dewar wrote:

>or algorithm vs algorism :-)
>
Its al-gore-rhythm (named after the inventor of the internet).

Re: Typo. (off-topic)

[Per Bothner]

Kevin Handy wrote:
> Robert Dewar wrote:
> 
>> or algorithm vs algorism :-)
>>
> Its al-gore-rhythm (named after the inventor of the internet).

Are people still making that tired old joke/slander?

Al Gore never claimed to have developed the Internet.  He claimed
to have had a part in the deployment of the Internet (I won't speak
for the exact wording) - which if you look at the record, is quite true.

Yes, I know it's just a joke.  It's just that it plays into the
character assassination typical of right-wing groups.
-- 
	--Per Bothner
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Re: Typo. (off-topic)

[Tim Hollebeek]

On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 03:55:39PM -0800, Per Bothner wrote:
> Kevin Handy wrote:
> > Robert Dewar wrote:
> > 
> >> or algorithm vs algorism :-)
> >>
> > Its al-gore-rhythm (named after the inventor of the internet).
> 
> Are people still making that tired old joke/slander?
> 
> Al Gore never claimed to have developed the Internet.  He claimed
> to have had a part in the deployment of the Internet (I won't speak
> for the exact wording) - which if you look at the record, is quite true.
> 
> Yes, I know it's just a joke.  It's just that it plays into the
> character assassination typical of right-wing groups.

Yes, it's very important we resist this, since left-wing groups never,
ever tell jokes about George W. Bush, or would ever post messages to
non-political lists claiming that a particular portion of the
population is more prone to character assassination.

Re: Typo. (off-topic)

[Per Bothner]

Tim Hollebeek wrote:
> Yes, it's very important we resist this, since left-wing groups never,
> ever tell jokes about George W. Bush,

Telling a joke is one thing. (For example while I don't quite
understand the hatred that Clinton engendered, he certainly
set himself up for some well-deserved jokes.)  My complaint
is more subtle:  I'm not complaining about jokes, but complaining
about jokes or commentary that re-inforce a falsehood.  There
is a wide-spread belief that "Al Gore claimed to have invented
the Internet" and spreading that falsehood unthinkingly plays into
the hands of those who want to make him appear ridiculous.

It's a bit like making fun of Quayle for not knowing how to spell
potato(e).  While that isn't a falsehood, it is a bit unfair,
since many people (including the Britsh IIRC) do spell it with an 'e'.

> or would ever post messages to non-political lists

Well, actually this is a GNU list, and GNU is a political movement,
as well as a technical one.  However, political commentary is
generally inappropriate to this group.

> claiming that a particular portion of the
> population is more prone to character assassination.

I didn't quite say that.  What I was trying to get across is that
I think the general flaw of right-wingers is a tendency to a lack
of empathy and too much judgement and not enough foregiveness for
other people's faults and mistakes (cfr calling for Walker to get
the death sentence).  On the other hand, some left-wingers may be
too forgiving of people's mistakes.

In any case, it was an inappropriate dig, not needed for my main
point trying to defend Gore.
-- 
	--Per Bothner
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Re: Typo. (off-topic)

[Neil Booth]

Per Bothner wrote:-

> potato(e).  While that isn't a falsehood, it is a bit unfair,
> since many people (including the Britsh IIRC) do spell it with an 'e'.

Nope.

Neil.

Re: Typo. (off-topic)

[Per Bothner]

Neil Booth wrote:
> Per Bothner wrote:-
> 
>>potato(e).  While that isn't a falsehood, it is a bit unfair,
>>since many people (including the Britsh IIRC) do spell it with an 'e'.
> 
> Nope.

Then I stand corrected, and I will revise my statement to say:
"some people do (mis-)spell it with an 'e'" and add it is an
easy mistake to make, because of the plural "potatoes".
-- 
	--Per Bothner
per@bothner.com   http://www.bothner.com/per/

Re: Typo.

[Robert Dewar]

>>"optimised" is the correct British English spelling.

This is a common misconception, but it is that, a misconception. While the
's' spellings are definitely standard in Australia, in England there is
still considerably unclarity on this issue. In particular, the OED second
edition lists ONLY the 'z' spelling and does not even recognize the
possibility of the 's' spelling (optimise) as an acceptable alternative.

It is indeed the case that many educated british writers use the 's' spelling
and for example the Economist usually seems to prefer the 's' spelling (a
fact implicitly recognized in the OED, since there is a quote from the
Economist with the 's' spelling).

So it is a bit over-reaching to say that optimise is wrong, whatever the
OED says, but to declare that "optimise" is *the* correct British English
spelling is also definitely over-reaching.

The bottom line is that you should always use the 'z' spelling for all
these words all the time, and you are then not wrong in either American
or British usage.

This is of course off-topic, but since documentation styles and rules are
at least remotely connected, it is useful for people to know this. I often
find that non-british writers are the most adamant in making the above
claim (sort of like the French being adamant in stating that upper case
letters do not have accents in French).

Re: Typo.

[Erik Mouw]

On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 05:42:43PM -0500, Robert Dewar wrote:
> >>"optimised" is the correct British English spelling.
> 
> This is a common misconception, but it is that, a misconception. While the
> 's' spellings are definitely standard in Australia, in England there is
> still considerably unclarity on this issue. In particular, the OED second
> edition lists ONLY the 'z' spelling and does not even recognize the
> possibility of the 's' spelling (optimise) as an acceptable alternative.
> 
> It is indeed the case that many educated british writers use the 's' spelling
> and for example the Economist usually seems to prefer the 's' spelling (a
> fact implicitly recognized in the OED, since there is a quote from the
> Economist with the 's' spelling).
> 
> So it is a bit over-reaching to say that optimise is wrong, whatever the
> OED says, but to declare that "optimise" is *the* correct British English
> spelling is also definitely over-reaching.
> 
> The bottom line is that you should always use the 'z' spelling for all
> these words all the time, and you are then not wrong in either American
> or British usage.

Interesting. I remember my teacher telling it just the other way
around.

> This is of course off-topic, but since documentation styles and rules are
> at least remotely connected, it is useful for people to know this. I often
> find that non-british writers are the most adamant in making the above
> claim (sort of like the French being adamant in stating that upper case
> letters do not have accents in French).

Probably because non-british writers learned it that way at school (at
least I did), and/or have to check a (British) dictionary. An extra
problem is of course that english spelling and pronunciation are
sometimes not even remotely connected.

Now let's start a disk vs. disc thread ;)


Erik

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Re: Typo.

[John Levon]

On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 05:42:43PM -0500, Robert Dewar wrote:

> This is a common misconception, but it is that, a misconception. While the
> 's' spellings are definitely standard in Australia, in England there is
> still considerably unclarity on this issue. In particular, the OED second
> edition lists ONLY the 'z' spelling and does not even recognize the
> possibility of the 's' spelling (optimise) as an acceptable alternative.

and the OED is infamous for this particular idiosyncracy (at least as famous
as the "interesting" spelling of Shakespeare) 

;)

john

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"Mathemeticians stand on each other's shoulders while computer scientists
 stand on each other's toes."
	- Richard Hamming

Typo.

[Tommy Dugandzic]

http://gcc.gnu.org/java/faq.html#4_1
s/Programing Issues/Programming Issues/

--
Regards,

Tommy - http://www.geocities.com/todu5811/autosignature

Re: Typo.

[Tom Tromey]

>>>>> "Tommy" == Tommy Dugandzic <tommy@mensa.se> writes:

Tommy> http://gcc.gnu.org/java/faq.html#4_1
Tommy> s/Programing Issues/Programming Issues/

Thanks, I've fixed this.

Tom

Typo.

[Tommy Dugandzic]

http://gcc.gnu.org/java/faq.html#4_1

4.2 Can GCJ only handle source code?

s/optimised/optimized/

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Regards,

Tommy - http://www.geocities.com/todu5811/autosignature

Re: Typo.

[Erik Mouw]

On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 10:59:43PM +0100, Tommy Dugandzic wrote:
> http://gcc.gnu.org/java/faq.html#4_1
> 
> 4.2 Can GCJ only handle source code?
> 
> s/optimised/optimized/

"optimised" is the correct British English spelling.


Erik

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of Information Technology and Systems, Delft University of Technology,
PO BOX 5031, 2600 GA Delft, The Netherlands  Phone: +31-15-2783635
Fax: +31-15-2781843  Email: J.A.K.Mouw@its.tudelft.nl
WWW: http://www-ict.its.tudelft.nl/~erik/

Re: Typo.

[Alexandre Oliva]

On Feb  2, 2002, Erik Mouw <J.A.K.Mouw@its.tudelft.nl> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 10:59:43PM +0100, Tommy Dugandzic wrote:
>> http://gcc.gnu.org/java/faq.html#4_1
>> 
>> 4.2 Can GCJ only handle source code?
>> 
>> s/optimised/optimized/

> "optimised" is the correct British English spelling.

But GCC adopts the American English spelling.

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Free Software Evangelist                Professional serial bug killer

Re: Typo.

[Tom Tromey]

>>>>> "Tommy" == Tommy Dugandzic <tommy@mensa.se> writes:

Tommy> http://gcc.gnu.org/java/faq.html#4_1
Tommy> 4.2 Can GCJ only handle source code?
Tommy> s/optimised/optimized/

Thanks, I'll check in a fix for this shortly.

Tom

Re: Typo.

[Craig Rodrigues]

On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 07:42:41PM -0700, Tom Tromey wrote:
> >>>>> "Tommy" == Tommy Dugandzic <tommy@mensa.se> writes:
> 
> Tommy> http://gcc.gnu.org/java/faq.html#4_1
> Tommy> 4.2 Can GCJ only handle source code?
> Tommy> s/optimised/optimized/
> 
> Thanks, I'll check in a fix for this shortly.

Why? "Optimized" is the spelling that is currently used throughout
the GCC documentation.

There was a thread regarding such spelling conventions here:
http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2001-10/subjects.html#00621
-- 
Craig Rodrigues        
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rodrigc@mediaone.net          

Re: Typo.

[Tom Tromey]

>>>>> "Craig" == Craig Rodrigues <rodrigc@mediaone.net> writes:

Tommy> s/optimised/optimized/

Tom> Thanks, I'll check in a fix for this shortly.

Craig> Why? "Optimized" is the spelling that is currently used throughout
Craig> the GCC documentation.

My patch changed the text from "ise" to "ize".

Tom