web page starting to show its age

web page starting to show its age

[Joe Buck]

There are several things about the web page gcc.gnu.org that are beginning
to show their age and should be revised.  Take the first paragraph:

"In April 1999, the egcs steering committee was appointed by the FSF as the
official GNU maintainer for GCC. At that time GCC was renamed from the
"GNU C Compiler" to the "GNU Compiler Collection" and received a new
mission statement."

This was highly relevant to people who visited the site using the old
egcs.cygnus.com name, or were trying to understand what happened with
the egcs/gcc merger, but that's three years old.

I can try to think up some new text to go here, but others may have ideas.
Also:

Current release series: GCC 3.2

should say
GCC 3.2 (released 2002-08-14) is the last 3.2 release.

Under the "Bugs" menu on the bottom left, many folks won't know what GNATS
means.  I suggest that the text be changed to "Bug database" or some such.

PATCH for Re: web page starting to show its age

[Gerald Pfeifer]

On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Joe Buck wrote:
> There are several things about the web page gcc.gnu.org that are beginning
> to show their age and should be revised.  Take the first paragraph:
> [...]
> I can try to think up some new text to go here, but others may have ideas.

I also stumbled across that repeatedly, but never found a good
replacement, so I'd certainly welcome any suggestions!

> Under the "Bugs" menu on the bottom left, many folks won't know what GNATS
> means.  I suggest that the text be changed to "Bug database" or some such.

Fixed thusly. I also took the opportunity to rephrase the paragraph on
releases (which was also pointing into the future).

Thanks for the comments!
Gerald

Index: index.html
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/gcc/wwwdocs/htdocs/index.html,v
retrieving revision 1.334
diff -u -3 -p -r1.334 index.html
--- index.html	13 Sep 2002 15:51:09 -0000	1.334
+++ index.html	4 Oct 2002 12:21:27 -0000
@@ -86,7 +86,7 @@
 <tr bgcolor="#FFFFBB"><td>
 <p>
 <a href="bugs.html">Report a bug</a><br />
-<a href="http://gcc.gnu.org/cgi-bin/gnatsweb.pl">GNATS</a><br />
+<a href="http://gcc.gnu.org/cgi-bin/gnatsweb.pl">Bug database</a><br />
 <a href="gnatswrite.html">...write access</a><br />
 <a href="bugs.html#known">Known bugs</a>
 </p>
@@ -126,12 +126,11 @@ and help testing GCC, and we provide acc
 <a href="cvs.html">anonymous CVS</a> and <a href="snapshots.html">weekly
 snapshots</a>.</p>

-<p>We will provide regular, high quality
-<a href="releases.html">releases</a>.
-We want those releases to work well on a variety of native (including
-GNU/Linux) and cross targets and use an extensive
-<a href="http://gcc.gnu.org/testresults/">test suite</a> as well as
-<a href="benchmarks/">various benchmark suites
+<p>We strive to provide regular, high quality
+<a href="releases.html">releases</a>, which we want to work well on a variety
+of native (including GNU/Linux) and cross targets. To that end, we use an
+extensive <a href="http://gcc.gnu.org/testresults/">test suite</a> as well
+as <a href="benchmarks/">various benchmark suites
 and automated testers</a> to maintain and improve quality.</p>

Re: PATCH for Re: web page starting to show its age

[Janis Johnson]

On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 03:27:22PM +0200, Gerald Pfeifer wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Joe Buck wrote:
> > There are several things about the web page gcc.gnu.org that are beginning
> > to show their age and should be revised.  Take the first paragraph:
> > [...]
> > I can try to think up some new text to go here, but others may have ideas.
> 
> I also stumbled across that repeatedly, but never found a good
> replacement, so I'd certainly welcome any suggestions!

How's this?  (Yes, I'm now a web page maintainer, but I'm not going to
make this change without running it by people first).

Janis

Index: index.html
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/gcc/wwwdocs/htdocs/index.html,v
retrieving revision 1.340
diff -u -r1.340 index.html
--- index.html	30 Oct 2002 16:49:47 -0000	1.340
+++ index.html	30 Oct 2002 21:32:54 -0000
@@ -10,14 +10,16 @@
 
 <h1><small>Welcome to the GCC home page!</small></h1>
 
-<p>In April 1999, the egcs steering committee was appointed by the FSF
-as the official GNU maintainer for GCC.  At that time GCC was renamed
-from the "GNU C Compiler" to the "GNU Compiler Collection" and received
-a new <a href="gccmission.html">mission statement</a>.</p>
-
-<p>Currently GCC contains front ends for C, C++, Objective C, Fortran,
+<p>GCC is the GNU Compiler Collection, which currently contains
+front ends for C, C++, Objective C, Fortran,
 <a href="java/">Java</a>, and Ada, as well as libraries for these
 languages (<a href="libstdc++/">libstdc++</a>, libgcj,...).</p>
+
+<p>Major decisions about GCC are made by the <a href="steering.html">
+steering committee</a>, guided by the <a href="gccmission.html">
+mission statement</a>.  That group began as the egcs steering
+committee and in April 1999 was appointed by the FSF as the official
+GNU maintainer for GCC.
 
 <p>We encourage everyone to <a href="contribute.html">contribute changes</a>
 and help testing GCC, and we provide access to our development sources with

Re: PATCH for Re: web page starting to show its age

[Joe Buck]

I wrote:
> > > There are several things about the web page gcc.gnu.org that are beginning
> > > to show their age and should be revised.  Take the first paragraph:
> > > [...]

Janis writes:
> How's this?  (Yes, I'm now a web page maintainer, but I'm not going to
> make this change without running it by people first).

Fine with me.

> +<p>GCC is the GNU Compiler Collection, which currently contains
> +front ends for C, C++, Objective C, Fortran,
>  <a href="java/">Java</a>, and Ada, as well as libraries for these
>  languages (<a href="libstdc++/">libstdc++</a>, libgcj,...).</p>
> +
> +<p>Major decisions about GCC are made by the <a href="steering.html">
> +steering committee</a>, guided by the <a href="gccmission.html">
> +mission statement</a>.  That group began as the egcs steering
> +committee and in April 1999 was appointed by the FSF as the official
> +GNU maintainer for GCC.

Re: PATCH for Re: web page starting to show its age

[Gerald Pfeifer]

On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Joe Buck wrote:
>> How's this?  (Yes, I'm now a web page maintainer, but I'm not going to
>> make this change without running it by people first).
> Fine with me.

Thanks, Janis!

Gerald

PS: I believe there is a </p> missing.
-- 
Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/

Re: PATCH for Re: web page starting to show its age

[Janis Johnson]

On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 11:04:27PM +0100, Gerald Pfeifer wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Joe Buck wrote:
> >> How's this?  (Yes, I'm now a web page maintainer, but I'm not going to
> >> make this change without running it by people first).
> > Fine with me.
> 
> Thanks, Janis!
> 
> Gerald
> 
> PS: I believe there is a </p> missing.

Yup, there was.  It's there now and the checked-in page validates.  That
proves once again the importance of validating every change, no matter
how simple it looks.

Janis

PATCH for Re: web page starting to show its age

[Gerald Pfeifer]

On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Joe Buck wrote:
> Also:
>
> Current release series: GCC 3.2
>
> should say
> GCC 3.2 (released 2002-08-14) is the last 3.2 release.

Here is what I just installed:

  Have release dates directly besides version number.

Is this fine with you?

(I'm not a native speaker, and I just realise that "besides" in the
CVS log above doesn't seem right, but wouldn't "last" mean "final"
in this case?)

Gerald

Index: index.html
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/gcc/wwwdocs/htdocs/index.html,v
retrieving revision 1.335
diff -u -3 -p -r1.335 index.html
--- index.html	4 Oct 2002 13:20:29 -0000	1.335
+++ index.html	4 Oct 2002 13:38:08 -0000
@@ -141,16 +141,15 @@ and automated testers</a> to maintain an

 <dl>
 <dt><strong>Current release series:</strong>
-  <a href="gcc-3.2/changes.html">GCC 3.2</a>
+  <a href="gcc-3.2/changes.html">GCC 3.2</a> (released 2002-08-14)
 </dt><dd>
   Open for all maintainers; fixes for regressions only.
 </dd>

 <dt><strong>Previous release series:</strong>
-  <a href="gcc-3.1/">GCC 3.1.1</a>
+  <a href="gcc-3.1/">GCC 3.1.1</a> (released 2002-07-26)
 </dt><dd>
-  GCC 3.1.1 (released 2002-07-26) is the last 3.1 release;
-  the 3.1-branch became the
+  GCC 3.1.1 is the last 3.1 release; the 3.1-branch became the
   <a href="gcc-3.2/changes.html">GCC 3.2</a>-branch.
 </dd>

Re: web page starting to show its age

[Toon Moene]

Joe Buck wrote:

> There are several things about the web page gcc.gnu.org that are beginning
> to show their age and should be revised.  Take the first paragraph:
> 
> "In April 1999, the egcs steering committee was appointed by the FSF as the
> official GNU maintainer for GCC. At that time GCC was renamed from the
> "GNU C Compiler" to the "GNU Compiler Collection" and received a new
> mission statement."
> 
> This was highly relevant to people who visited the site using the old
> egcs.cygnus.com name, or were trying to understand what happened with
> the egcs/gcc merger, but that's three years old.
> 
> I can try to think up some new text to go here, but others may have ideas.

Agree - show the source :-)

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