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Costs for what? From whom? > > GCC is an open-source project with a diverse community of hundreds of > contributors. Who are you asking to give you costs? What work are you > expecting them to do? > > It is unlikely that you obtained GCC from https://gcc.gnu.org so you > should probably talk to whoever provided you with your GCC binaries. Most people get their GCC binaries for free, and no such source is going to be able to help for safety compliance or any other kind of certification. Certification always costs time, effort and money. But there are suppliers who provide toolchain binaries with commercial support contract, and which could help with certification. I know Code Sourcery certainly used to be able to provide language compliance certification - I have no idea if they still can (it seems they are part of Siemens these days). Maybe Red Hat (part of IBM) can do so too, and possibly others. But perhaps that will give the OP a starting point. David > For safety compliance you will probably need to talk to a third-party > who specializes in that. I don't think you will achieve anything by > asking the GCC project to do that for you. > > That's not how open source projects work. > > > >> >> Regards, >> Vishal B Patil >> >> vishal.b.patil@cummins.com >> >> Dahanukar Colony, Kothrud >> Pune >> Maharashtra >> 411038 >> India >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Vishal B Patil >> Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2023 4:18 PM >> To: Basile Starynkevitch >> Subject: RE: GCC support addition for Safety compliances >> >> Hi Team, >> >> Thanks for the response. >> >> Actually required for UL60730, UL6200. Please share the costs and time as well. >> >> Regards, >> Vishal B Patil >> >> vishal.b.patil@cummins.com >> >> Dahanukar Colony, Kothrud >> Pune >> Maharashtra >> 411038 >> India >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Basile Starynkevitch >> Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2023 4:07 PM >> To: Vishal B Patil >> Subject: GCC support addition for Safety compliances >> >> EXTERNAL SENDER: This email originated outside of Cummins. Do not click links or open attachments unless you verify the sender and know the content is safe. >> >> >> Hello >> >>> Need support from the GCC GNU for the some safety compliances. Can you please guide or check which GCC support the safety compliances. >> For safety compliance GCC is probably not enough. >> >> >> Consider (if allowed by your authorities) using static analysis tools like https://frama-c.com/ or https://www.absint.com/products.htm >> >> >> Be sure to understand what technically safety compliance means to you. >> DOI178C? ISO26262? >> >> Be also aware that safety compliance costs a lot of money and a lot of time. (you'll probably need a budget above 100k€ ou 100kUS$ and about a person*year of developer efforts) >> >> >> -- >> Basile Starynkevitch >> (only mine opinions / les opinions sont miennes uniquement) >> 92340 Bourg-la-Reine, France >> web page: starynkevitch.net/Basile/ >> >