From: Robert Dewar <dewar@gnat.com>
To: espie@nerim.net
Cc: gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:54:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <400C19EE.6010600@gnat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040119162425.GA13253@tetto.gentiane.org>
Marc Espie wrote:
> Another data point: I don't think I have an especially slow development
> machine (PIII 1.2GHz), even though it's two years old, and yet the
> project I work with entails compilation times of over a day...
That is presumably a time and not space complaint (i.e. the day does not
come from virtual memory disk thrashing).
To me, a project that requires a compilation time of a day on a 1.2GHz
machine is indeed indicative of a non-functional compiler. I definitely
agree that this kind of performance should be considered to be a bug. My
direct interaction with gcc is most typically complete bootstraps of
GNAT, which take about 10 minutes on my laptop, which seems slow but
acceptable. Dealing with a project where recompilation takes a day is
I agree well outside the acceptable range.
That being said, it seems to me to undervalue time to be using a two
year old machine and tolerating builds that slow when a modern notebook
with a 3GHz processor and 800MHz front bus can be obtained for under
$2000. And one general comment here is that using such a notebook, I
still find MANY things to be slow, and gcc is not the worst offender
by any means (Mozilla's junk mail detection, while excellent, for
example, consumes vast amounts of cycles and how Power Point manages
to take as long as it does to come up is a mystery to me). I guess the
software world has become really *expert* at making things take
thousands of times longer than they should :-(
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2004-01-10 0:11 Geoffrey Keating
2004-01-10 0:25 ` Phil Edwards
2004-01-10 0:47 ` Geoffrey Keating
2004-01-10 15:41 ` Phil Edwards
2004-01-12 18:47 ` Geoffrey Keating
2004-01-12 19:22 ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-12 23:42 ` Geoff Keating
2004-01-12 23:48 ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-12 23:49 ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-13 0:06 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-13 0:16 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-13 0:22 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-13 19:48 ` Gerald Pfeifer
2004-01-13 0:28 ` Joe Buck
2004-01-13 0:46 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-13 1:13 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-13 0:11 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-01-13 0:15 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-13 0:23 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-01-13 0:37 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-13 0:45 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-13 0:55 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-01-13 0:54 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-01-13 1:01 ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-13 1:16 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-01-13 1:26 ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-13 1:33 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-13 1:19 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-13 0:47 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-13 0:59 ` Altivec (Re: gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal) Matt Austern
2004-01-13 0:16 ` gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal Mark Mitchell
2004-01-13 0:54 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-13 21:31 ` Geoff Keating
2004-01-13 22:41 ` David Edelsohn
2004-01-13 23:13 ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-13 23:24 ` Paul Koning
2004-01-14 0:01 ` Geoff Keating
2004-01-14 0:26 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-14 8:35 ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-14 14:58 ` Paul Koning
2004-01-13 23:29 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-14 0:47 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-14 1:05 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-14 1:36 ` Joe Buck
2004-01-14 19:47 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-13 23:51 ` Eric Christopher
2004-01-13 23:53 ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-14 6:13 ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-14 8:39 ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-14 8:48 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-14 20:59 ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-14 21:02 ` Andrew Haley
2004-01-19 1:31 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 1:51 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 10:40 ` Nick Burrett
2004-01-19 13:55 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 15:49 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 16:09 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-19 16:24 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 17:07 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-19 17:54 ` Robert Dewar [this message]
2004-01-19 18:03 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 17:41 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 18:08 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-19 18:09 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-19 18:34 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 19:06 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 20:22 ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-19 20:38 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 21:09 ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-19 21:18 ` Eric Christopher
2004-01-19 21:46 ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-19 22:09 ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-19 22:29 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 23:04 ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-20 3:45 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-20 7:46 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-20 23:22 ` Gerald Pfeifer
2004-01-20 23:28 ` Zack Winkles
2004-01-19 23:53 ` Mark Hahn
2004-01-20 0:17 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-20 14:27 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-22 14:50 ` Geoffrey Furnish
2004-01-20 6:27 ` gcc compilation speed Matt Austern
2004-01-20 7:23 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-20 7:40 ` Karel Gardas
2004-01-20 8:25 ` gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal Karel Gardas
2004-01-20 12:07 ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-20 14:41 ` Karel Gardas
2004-01-20 14:52 ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-20 14:55 ` Karel Gardas
2004-01-20 15:16 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-20 15:21 ` Karel Gardas
2004-01-20 16:16 ` Comparison of compilation speed of GCC 3.4.0 040114, ICC 8.0 and COMO 4.3.3 on MICO ORB core sources (C++) Karel Gardas
2004-01-20 15:08 ` gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal Paul Koning
2004-01-19 21:20 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-20 2:05 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-20 14:25 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-19 21:34 ` Geoff Keating
2004-01-19 22:03 ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-19 22:22 ` Geoff Keating
2004-01-19 22:38 ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-20 3:53 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-20 4:52 ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-20 2:44 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-20 3:04 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-20 19:03 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-20 20:41 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-20 22:06 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-20 22:59 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-20 18:52 ` Geoffrey Keating
2004-01-20 22:12 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-20 22:30 ` Geoffrey Keating
2004-01-21 0:02 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-21 12:12 ` Richard Earnshaw
2004-01-22 6:37 ` Segher Boessenkool
2004-01-22 10:38 ` Richard Earnshaw
2004-01-22 6:27 ` Segher Boessenkool
2004-01-26 18:55 ` compile speed [was: gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal] Per Bothner
2004-01-26 19:34 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-20 0:01 ` GCC's hardware requirements - Where is the freedom? [was: " Matthias Benkmann
2004-01-20 3:13 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-20 3:17 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-20 9:23 ` Bernd Jendrissek
2004-01-20 21:38 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-20 22:50 ` Toon Moene
2004-01-20 8:12 ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-01-20 9:09 ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-19 17:27 ` gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 16:26 ` Per Bothner
2004-01-20 2:14 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-20 3:49 ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-20 10:08 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-20 15:13 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-20 18:04 ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-20 18:48 ` Geoffrey Keating
2004-01-20 19:01 ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-20 22:04 ` Geoff Keating
2004-01-21 2:23 ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-22 6:27 ` Segher Boessenkool
2004-01-19 20:51 ` Dale Johannesen
2004-01-19 23:01 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 3:42 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 3:47 ` Robert McNulty Junior
2004-01-19 3:49 ` David Edelsohn
2004-01-19 13:28 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 13:35 ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-19 13:35 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 19:10 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 19:15 ` Marc Espie
2004-01-19 20:49 ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-19 19:39 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 13:39 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 17:58 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 3:59 ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-19 8:19 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-19 11:29 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 13:18 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 14:13 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 14:18 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 14:48 ` Vladimir Makarov
2004-01-19 17:04 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-20 2:46 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-01-19 4:37 ` Giovanni Bajo
2004-01-19 4:46 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 7:04 ` Eric Botcazou
2004-01-19 7:10 ` Andreas Jaeger
2004-01-19 8:12 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-19 8:38 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 8:45 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-19 9:35 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-12 22:40 ` Mike Stump
2004-01-13 23:31 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2004-01-19 16:24 Paul Koning
2004-01-19 17:46 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 17:51 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 18:12 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-19 18:20 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-19 18:29 ` Giovanni Bajo
2004-01-19 18:22 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 18:30 ` Paul Koning
2004-01-20 10:46 ` Russ Allbery
2004-01-20 3:00 D. Starner
2004-01-20 3:14 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-20 5:19 D. Starner
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