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From: Mark Mitchell <mark@codesourcery.com>
To: Steven Bosscher <stevenb@suse.de>
Cc: gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: GCC 3.5 Status (2004-08-29)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:48:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <41326EBF.9020501@codesourcery.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200408300148.54421.stevenb@suse.de>

Steven Bosscher wrote:

>On Monday 30 August 2004 01:17, Mark Mitchell wrote:
>  
>
>>The following changes will be postponed until GCC 3.6.  These changes
>>either provide too little benefit, are too risky, or will take too
>>much time to complete.
>>
>>* Aliasing improvements for structure fields [Berlin]
>>
>>    
>>
>But you should
>realize that this analysis is absolutely critical if GCC 3.5 is going
>to perform reasonably well.
>  
>
I am not convinced of this statement. 

First, the compiler speed argument mostly affects optimizing 
compilations, where compile-times are much less critical than 
non-optimizing compilations.  I'm sure that people will want to argue 
this point, but I've been talking with customers for a decade and the 
ones concerned about compile-times are almost always willing to have 
optimizing compilation take longer.

Second, Dan said it will take 2-3 months to complete this work.  That's 
a lot of time, and indicates a big project.  I am confident that there 
are alternatives that, while perhaps less comprehensive, get enough of 
the common cases to achieve most of the benefits.

Third, if this change is so vital, then we should be willing to drop 
some other changes in favor of this one, so that people can work with 
Dan to finish this one.  Why don't you suggest some changes that are 
already on the list that you'd be willing to give up?

-- 
Mark Mitchell
CodeSourcery, LLC
(916) 791-8304
mark@codesourcery.com

  reply	other threads:[~2004-08-30  0:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-08-29 23:49 Mark Mitchell
2004-08-30  0:03 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-08-30  0:33   ` Mark Mitchell
2004-08-30  0:53     ` Daniel Berlin
2004-08-30  0:25 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-08-30  0:48   ` Mark Mitchell [this message]
2004-08-30  0:57     ` Steven Bosscher
2004-08-30  1:04       ` Mark Mitchell
2004-08-30  1:12         ` Andrew Pinski
2004-08-30  1:29           ` Mark Mitchell
2004-08-30 10:11           ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-08-30  2:46         ` Giovanni Bajo
2004-08-30  3:09           ` Matt Austern
2004-08-30 13:51             ` Speeding up C++ at -O0 (Was: GCC 3.5 Status (2004-08-29)) Giovanni Bajo
2004-08-30 18:02             ` GCC 3.5 Status (2004-08-29) Joe Buck
2004-08-30  3:32           ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-08-30  4:11             ` Mark Mitchell
2004-08-30  4:17               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-08-30  4:43                 ` Mark Mitchell
2004-08-30  5:09                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-08-30  5:27                     ` Mark Mitchell
2004-08-30  5:30                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-08-30  6:57                         ` Mark Mitchell
2004-08-30  9:24           ` Steven Bosscher
2004-08-30 10:13             ` Giovanni Bajo
2004-08-30 10:26               ` Steven Bosscher
2004-08-30 16:34                 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-08-30 11:02           ` Paolo Bonzini
2004-08-30 10:03         ` Steven Bosscher
2004-08-30 15:11           ` Mark Mitchell
2004-08-30 15:21           ` Jan Hubicka
2004-08-30 17:46           ` Jeffrey A Law
2004-08-30  1:09       ` Daniel Berlin
2004-08-30  1:53         ` Mark Mitchell
2004-08-30  7:34           ` Steven Bosscher
2004-08-30  8:15             ` Mark Mitchell
2004-08-30 14:16               ` Daniel Berlin
2004-08-30 15:10                 ` Mark Mitchell
2004-08-30  3:03 ` Daniel Berlin
2004-08-30  3:20   ` Mark Mitchell
2004-08-31 17:35   ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-08-30 10:50 ` Dorit Naishlos
2004-08-30 15:12   ` Mark Mitchell
2004-08-30 14:26 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-08-30 15:03   ` Mark Mitchell
2004-08-30 15:05     ` Jan Hubicka
2004-08-30 17:08 ` Diego Novillo
2004-08-31  3:25 ` Devang Patel
2004-08-30  0:59 Richard Kenner
2004-08-30  4:33 Nathanael Nerode
2004-08-30 10:17 Richard Kenner
2004-08-30 14:48 ` Mark Mitchell
2004-08-30 18:08   ` Mike Stump
2004-08-30 10:44 Richard Kenner
2004-08-30 11:27 ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-08-30 13:05   ` Jakub Jelinek
2004-08-30 18:28     ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-08-30 20:04       ` Jakub Jelinek
2004-08-30 20:25         ` Laurent GUERBY
2004-08-31  5:27           ` Eric Botcazou
2004-08-31  9:42           ` Arnaud Charlet
2004-08-30 20:14       ` Florian Weimer

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