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From: Mark Mitchell <mark@codesourcery.com>
To: Zack Weinberg <zack@codesourcery.com>
Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis <gdr@cs.tamu.edu>,
	 gcc@gcc.gnu.org,  jason@redhat.com,  dberlin@dberlin.org
Subject: Re: Compiling GCC with g++: a report
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 06:31:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4292C5FF.2060003@codesourcery.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fywdkvmp.fsf@codesourcery.com>

Zack Weinberg wrote:

> Um, yeah.  I completely botched that explanation.  My apologies.  I'm
> concerned about four different scenarios which may arise when the
> preexisting C++ compiler and runtime are ABI-incompatible with the C++
> compiler and runtime being built; none are source compatibility
> issues, as you point out, however two of them have just the same
> effect from the user's point of view: imposing constraints on what
> compiler can be used to build the compiler.

I agree that these are valid concerns.

Certainly, I can imagine us (CodeSourcery) considering shipping 
statically linked binaries for quite some time in order to avoid 
problems for customers, even though that would be less efficient.

Like you, I do think these problems are surmountable; but, also like 
you, I think it would take some time to get all the problems solved.  I 
don't really think, though, that this is immediately relevant; Gaby's 
trying to fix things that seem to me like they will actually make for 
better C code, and, right now at least, going to C++ isn't on the table. 
  I think you agree that most of the changes Gaby wants to make are for 
the better (with the possible exception of casting the return value of 
malloc, which will be hidden in a macro that's probably less error-prone 
that writing out the malloc calls directly) -- but you're concerned 
about the fact that doing this work now might make it too easy for us to 
switch to C++ without thinking about all the issues?

-- 
Mark Mitchell
CodeSourcery, LLC
mark@codesourcery.com
(916) 791-8304

  reply	other threads:[~2005-05-24  6:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-05-23 11:50 Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-23 12:22 ` Ranjit Mathew
2005-05-23 19:07   ` Tom Tromey
2005-05-23 18:04 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-24  4:57 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-24  4:59   ` Joseph S. Myers
2005-05-24 21:50   ` Kevin Handy
2005-05-25 12:02     ` Bernardo Innocenti
2005-05-24  5:54 ` Zack Weinberg
2005-05-24  6:04   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-24  6:22     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-24  6:29     ` Zack Weinberg
2005-05-24  6:31       ` Mark Mitchell [this message]
2005-05-24  7:08         ` Zack Weinberg
2005-05-24  7:09           ` Mark Mitchell
2005-05-24  7:39           ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-24  8:48             ` Zack Weinberg
2005-05-24 13:41               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-25  0:47             ` Russ Allbery
2005-05-25  1:24               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-24 16:07       ` Paolo Bonzini
2005-05-24 16:44       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-24 23:53         ` Zack Weinberg
2005-05-25  0:06           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-25  0:11             ` Richard Henderson
2005-05-25  0:22             ` Zack Weinberg
2005-05-25  0:26           ` Paolo Carlini
2005-05-25  0:37             ` Zack Weinberg
2005-05-25  0:43               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-25  0:48                 ` Zack Weinberg
2005-05-25  1:02                   ` Paolo Carlini
2005-05-25  3:14                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-25 13:30                     ` libstdc++ soname and versioning (was: Re: Compiling GCC...) Paolo Carlini
2005-05-25 13:45                       ` Theodore Papadopoulo
2005-05-25 13:53                         ` libstdc++ soname and versioning Paolo Carlini
2005-05-25 14:18                           ` Theodore Papadopoulo
2005-05-25 14:51                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-25 14:52                             ` Paolo Carlini
2005-05-25 13:54                         ` libstdc++ soname and versioning (was: Re: Compiling GCC...) Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-25 14:35                           ` Theodore Papadopoulo
2005-05-25 16:18                   ` Compiling GCC with g++: a report Jason Merrill
2005-05-25 12:44               ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-05-25 13:33                 ` Florian Weimer
2005-05-27  3:10                 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-05-24  6:13   ` Andrew Pinski
2005-05-24  6:25     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-27  4:04     ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-05-24  6:18   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-24  6:43     ` Zack Weinberg
2005-05-24  7:04       ` Mark Mitchell
2005-05-24  8:00         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-25  3:45         ` Kaveh R. Ghazi
2005-05-25  7:45           ` DJ Delorie
2005-05-25  8:36             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-25 13:38             ` Kaveh R. Ghazi
2005-05-26 13:40               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-24  7:38       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-24  8:32         ` Zack Weinberg
2005-05-24 13:18           ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-24 23:45             ` Zack Weinberg
2005-05-25  0:29               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-25  0:37                 ` Zack Weinberg
2005-05-25  0:52                   ` DJ Delorie
2005-05-25  0:55                     ` Zack Weinberg
2005-05-25  1:02                       ` Ian Lance Taylor
2005-05-25  1:36                       ` DJ Delorie
2005-05-25  1:40                         ` Zack Weinberg
2005-05-25  2:24                           ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-25 21:37                           ` hidden enum constants (Was: Compiling GCC with g++: a report) Giovanni Bajo
2005-05-25  1:50                         ` Compiling GCC with g++: a report Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-25  2:20                           ` DJ Delorie
2005-05-25  1:47                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-25  2:08                         ` DJ Delorie
2005-05-25  2:36                           ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-25  3:34                             ` DJ Delorie
2005-05-25  5:01                               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-25  1:12                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-25  1:47                     ` DJ Delorie
2005-05-25  3:20                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-27  1:20           ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-05-24 17:17         ` Paul Koning
2005-05-24 17:25           ` Andreas Schwab
2005-05-24 20:43             ` Joe Buck
2005-05-24 21:40               ` Dale Johannesen
2005-05-24 17:49           ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-24  6:26   ` Mark Mitchell
2005-05-24  6:54     ` Zack Weinberg
2005-05-24  7:04       ` Mark Mitchell
2005-05-24 15:03         ` Kai Henningsen
2005-05-25  9:51         ` Jason Merrill
2005-05-24 10:01 ` Florian Weimer
2005-05-24 14:22   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-24 18:00 ` Diego Novillo
2005-05-24 20:41   ` Richard Guenther
2005-05-24 23:14   ` Kevin Handy
2005-05-27  3:47   ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-05-27  1:20 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-05-25  5:26 Paul Schlie
2005-05-25  6:10 ` DJ Delorie
2005-05-25 11:46   ` Paul Schlie
2005-05-25 18:31     ` DJ Delorie
2005-05-25 21:41       ` Paul Schlie
2005-05-26  6:11         ` DJ Delorie
2005-05-26  8:15           ` Paul Schlie
2005-05-26 11:57             ` DJ Delorie
2005-05-25 19:27 Richard Kenner

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