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From: chris jefferson <caj@cs.york.ac.uk>
To: Kai Henningsen <kaih@khms.westfalen.de>
Cc: gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: What is wrong with Bugzilla? [Was: Re: GCC and Floating-Point]
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 03:50:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <429BA1A0.3010708@cs.york.ac.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9XsNyBxHw-B@khms.westfalen.de>

Kai Henningsen wrote:

>>The entire GCC website (of which GCC
>>Bugzilla is a part) could be the poster child for why developers
>>should never be allowed to design user interfaces, especially web user
>>interfaces. I'm sure I'll get flamed for wanting style over substance
>>or about the proliferation of eye candy, but the GCC web site and it's
>>    
>>
>
>... which I think are poster childs why non-technical people *usually*  
>ought not to be allowed to design web sites.
>
>  
>
>>attendent support pages can only be charitably described as eye trash.
>>Yes, you can find the bug link if you read the main page long enough
>>and move down the page slowly enough, or if, like me, you fire up
>>Firefox's find and use that to go quickly to the bug link. But that's
>>beside the point. At the very least the design of the GCC web site
>>makes the whole project look like someone who has just discovered the
>>web and decided to build a few pages. And please don't harp on making
>>    
>>
>
>To me, it looks *very* professional.
>
>  
>
I'm sorry, but I felt I couldn't leave this comment alone. The main GCC 
page is badly designed. The logo looks very amateurish, and also try 
exploring the page without actual knowledge. I just tried this. I 
suspect most people on their first visit are here because they want a 
copy of gcc, and it's perhaps reasonable to assume at this point they 
don't know a huge amount, and perhaps don't want to compile from source 
(if they had a copy of gcc, they wouldn't be here :). Yes, I know and 
you know it's not gcc's job to provide that, but I'd look for a copy of 
gcc by typing "gcc" into google, and gcc.gnu.org is where you get to first)

Lets try to get a copy of gcc. Firstly I see something in the top-left 
marked "releases". I click on it. It doesn't mention 4.0, and despite 
reasonable attempts I see no sign of code. Next I see a mention of 4.0.0 
in the main body. After wandering around that link for quite a while I 
find a link to the mirrors page, which is full of source.

Next try documentation, installation. Talks about compiling again. 
Finally, at download, binaries I find what I want. Seeing as I suspect 
that is the link most people want when they first visit, it should 
perhaps be a little more obvious, and in the main body near the top?

Chris

  reply	other threads:[~2005-05-30 23:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-05-28 17:10 Uros Bizjak
2005-05-28 23:02 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-28 23:28   ` Daniel Berlin
2005-05-28 23:29   ` William Beebe
2005-05-29  4:47     ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-29 18:32   ` Kai Henningsen
2005-05-29 18:52     ` William Beebe
2005-05-29 19:24       ` What is wrong with Bugzilla? Russ Allbery
2005-05-30 16:32         ` William Beebe
2005-05-30 19:22           ` Russ Allbery
2005-05-30 15:35       ` What is wrong with Bugzilla? [Was: Re: GCC and Floating-Point] Kai Henningsen
2005-05-31  3:50         ` chris jefferson [this message]
2005-05-31  5:56           ` Gary Funck
2005-05-31  6:04           ` Paul Brook
2005-05-30 15:39       ` Daniel Berlin
2005-05-29  1:30 ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-29 15:57   ` Giovanni Bajo
2005-05-29 18:05     ` Michael Veksler
2005-05-30 15:34       ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-30 15:48       ` Daniel Berlin
2005-05-30 15:31         ` Vincent Lefevre
     [not found]       ` <26669933.1117479096256.JavaMail.root@dtm1eusosrv72.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net>
2005-05-30 21:17         ` Toon Moene
2005-05-31 11:24           ` Robert Dewar
2005-06-06 21:47             ` Laurent GUERBY
2005-06-06 23:23               ` Robert Dewar
2005-06-09  7:44                 ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-31 12:51           ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-31 13:17             ` Andreas Schwab
2005-05-31 13:44               ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-31 14:32                 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-05-31 15:10                   ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-31 15:58                     ` Andreas Schwab
2005-05-31 16:53                       ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-31 17:03                         ` Andreas Schwab
2005-05-31 18:40                           ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-31 19:28                             ` Jakub Jelinek
2005-05-31 23:30                               ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-31 18:35                         ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-31 17:44                       ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-31 20:11                         ` Andreas Schwab
2005-05-31 23:53                           ` Vincent Lefevre
     [not found]                             ` <jefyw3jguf.fsf@sykes.suse.de>
     [not found]                               ` <20050531224258.GJ3541@ay.vinc17.org>
     [not found]                                 ` <jemzqb2eb2.fsf@sykes.suse.de>
2005-06-01  0:23                                   ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-06-01  8:42                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2005-05-31 17:21                     ` Mike Stump
2005-05-31 17:44                       ` Dave Korn
2005-06-01  1:57                         ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-05-31 19:27                       ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-31 19:58                         ` Mike Stump
2005-05-31 23:40                           ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-06-01  5:59                             ` Alan Modra
2005-06-01  7:21                               ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-06-01 17:32                                 ` Mike Stump
2005-06-01 18:01                                   ` Daniel Berlin
2005-06-01 18:33                                     ` Mike Stump
2005-05-29 20:13     ` Joseph S. Myers
2005-05-29 20:18       ` Haren Visavadia
2005-05-30 15:40   ` Daniel Berlin
2005-05-30 15:31     ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-30 20:12     ` Haren Visavadia
2005-05-30 20:13       ` Robert Dewar
2005-05-30 20:34         ` Haren Visavadia
2005-05-30 20:46           ` Robert Dewar
2005-05-30 21:10             ` Haren Visavadia
2005-05-31  9:11               ` Robert Dewar
2005-05-31 12:33             ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-31 12:48               ` Andrew Haley
2005-05-31 13:35                 ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-31 14:08                 ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-06-22 19:44     ` What is wrong with Bugzilla? Gerald Pfeifer
2005-05-29  7:33 ` What is wrong with Bugzilla? [Was: Re: GCC and Floating-Point] Ross Smith
2005-05-29  7:51   ` Joe Buck
2005-05-29  9:56     ` R Hill
2005-05-30 17:03       ` What is wrong with Bugzilla? Zack Weinberg
2005-05-30 19:39         ` Gary Funck
2005-05-30 15:48   ` What is wrong with Bugzilla? [Was: Re: GCC and Floating-Point] Daniel Berlin
2005-05-31  7:40     ` R Hill
2005-05-31 12:04       ` What is wrong with Bugzilla? Russ Allbery
2005-05-31 12:08         ` R Hill
2005-05-31 17:14         ` Dave Korn
2005-05-31 17:14           ` Daniel Berlin
2005-05-31 17:43             ` Dave Korn
2005-05-31 19:18               ` Daniel Berlin
2005-05-31 19:43                 ` Dave Korn
2005-05-31 17:22   ` What is wrong with Bugzilla? [Was: Re: GCC and Floating-Point] Hugh Sasse
2005-05-29 12:54 ` Haren Visavadia
2005-05-29 15:19   ` Michael Veksler
2005-05-29 15:38     ` Giovanni Bajo
2005-05-29 18:16       ` Michael Veksler
2005-05-30 16:07       ` Daniel Berlin
2005-05-30 15:36         ` Michael Veksler
2005-05-30 15:28           ` Daniel Berlin
2005-05-30 15:28           ` Daniel Berlin
2005-05-29 17:23     ` Haren Visavadia
2005-05-30 15:25     ` Joe Buck
2005-05-30 15:31     ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-30 15:43     ` Daniel Berlin

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