From: chris jefferson <caj@cs.york.ac.uk>
To: Kai Henningsen <kaih@khms.westfalen.de>
Cc: gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: What is wrong with Bugzilla? [Was: Re: GCC and Floating-Point]
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 03:50:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <429BA1A0.3010708@cs.york.ac.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9XsNyBxHw-B@khms.westfalen.de>
Kai Henningsen wrote:
>>The entire GCC website (of which GCC
>>Bugzilla is a part) could be the poster child for why developers
>>should never be allowed to design user interfaces, especially web user
>>interfaces. I'm sure I'll get flamed for wanting style over substance
>>or about the proliferation of eye candy, but the GCC web site and it's
>>
>>
>
>... which I think are poster childs why non-technical people *usually*
>ought not to be allowed to design web sites.
>
>
>
>>attendent support pages can only be charitably described as eye trash.
>>Yes, you can find the bug link if you read the main page long enough
>>and move down the page slowly enough, or if, like me, you fire up
>>Firefox's find and use that to go quickly to the bug link. But that's
>>beside the point. At the very least the design of the GCC web site
>>makes the whole project look like someone who has just discovered the
>>web and decided to build a few pages. And please don't harp on making
>>
>>
>
>To me, it looks *very* professional.
>
>
>
I'm sorry, but I felt I couldn't leave this comment alone. The main GCC
page is badly designed. The logo looks very amateurish, and also try
exploring the page without actual knowledge. I just tried this. I
suspect most people on their first visit are here because they want a
copy of gcc, and it's perhaps reasonable to assume at this point they
don't know a huge amount, and perhaps don't want to compile from source
(if they had a copy of gcc, they wouldn't be here :). Yes, I know and
you know it's not gcc's job to provide that, but I'd look for a copy of
gcc by typing "gcc" into google, and gcc.gnu.org is where you get to first)
Lets try to get a copy of gcc. Firstly I see something in the top-left
marked "releases". I click on it. It doesn't mention 4.0, and despite
reasonable attempts I see no sign of code. Next I see a mention of 4.0.0
in the main body. After wandering around that link for quite a while I
find a link to the mirrors page, which is full of source.
Next try documentation, installation. Talks about compiling again.
Finally, at download, binaries I find what I want. Seeing as I suspect
that is the link most people want when they first visit, it should
perhaps be a little more obvious, and in the main body near the top?
Chris
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-05-30 23:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-05-28 17:10 Uros Bizjak
2005-05-28 23:02 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-28 23:28 ` Daniel Berlin
2005-05-28 23:29 ` William Beebe
2005-05-29 4:47 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-29 18:32 ` Kai Henningsen
2005-05-29 18:52 ` William Beebe
2005-05-29 19:24 ` What is wrong with Bugzilla? Russ Allbery
2005-05-30 16:32 ` William Beebe
2005-05-30 19:22 ` Russ Allbery
2005-05-30 15:35 ` What is wrong with Bugzilla? [Was: Re: GCC and Floating-Point] Kai Henningsen
2005-05-31 3:50 ` chris jefferson [this message]
2005-05-31 5:56 ` Gary Funck
2005-05-31 6:04 ` Paul Brook
2005-05-30 15:39 ` Daniel Berlin
2005-05-29 1:30 ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-29 15:57 ` Giovanni Bajo
2005-05-29 18:05 ` Michael Veksler
2005-05-30 15:34 ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-30 15:48 ` Daniel Berlin
2005-05-30 15:31 ` Vincent Lefevre
[not found] ` <26669933.1117479096256.JavaMail.root@dtm1eusosrv72.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net>
2005-05-30 21:17 ` Toon Moene
2005-05-31 11:24 ` Robert Dewar
2005-06-06 21:47 ` Laurent GUERBY
2005-06-06 23:23 ` Robert Dewar
2005-06-09 7:44 ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-31 12:51 ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-31 13:17 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-05-31 13:44 ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-31 14:32 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-05-31 15:10 ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-31 15:58 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-05-31 16:53 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-31 17:03 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-05-31 18:40 ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-31 19:28 ` Jakub Jelinek
2005-05-31 23:30 ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-31 18:35 ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-31 17:44 ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-31 20:11 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-05-31 23:53 ` Vincent Lefevre
[not found] ` <jefyw3jguf.fsf@sykes.suse.de>
[not found] ` <20050531224258.GJ3541@ay.vinc17.org>
[not found] ` <jemzqb2eb2.fsf@sykes.suse.de>
2005-06-01 0:23 ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-06-01 8:42 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-05-31 17:21 ` Mike Stump
2005-05-31 17:44 ` Dave Korn
2005-06-01 1:57 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-05-31 19:27 ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-31 19:58 ` Mike Stump
2005-05-31 23:40 ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-06-01 5:59 ` Alan Modra
2005-06-01 7:21 ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-06-01 17:32 ` Mike Stump
2005-06-01 18:01 ` Daniel Berlin
2005-06-01 18:33 ` Mike Stump
2005-05-29 20:13 ` Joseph S. Myers
2005-05-29 20:18 ` Haren Visavadia
2005-05-30 15:40 ` Daniel Berlin
2005-05-30 15:31 ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-30 20:12 ` Haren Visavadia
2005-05-30 20:13 ` Robert Dewar
2005-05-30 20:34 ` Haren Visavadia
2005-05-30 20:46 ` Robert Dewar
2005-05-30 21:10 ` Haren Visavadia
2005-05-31 9:11 ` Robert Dewar
2005-05-31 12:33 ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-31 12:48 ` Andrew Haley
2005-05-31 13:35 ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-31 14:08 ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-06-22 19:44 ` What is wrong with Bugzilla? Gerald Pfeifer
2005-05-29 7:33 ` What is wrong with Bugzilla? [Was: Re: GCC and Floating-Point] Ross Smith
2005-05-29 7:51 ` Joe Buck
2005-05-29 9:56 ` R Hill
2005-05-30 17:03 ` What is wrong with Bugzilla? Zack Weinberg
2005-05-30 19:39 ` Gary Funck
2005-05-30 15:48 ` What is wrong with Bugzilla? [Was: Re: GCC and Floating-Point] Daniel Berlin
2005-05-31 7:40 ` R Hill
2005-05-31 12:04 ` What is wrong with Bugzilla? Russ Allbery
2005-05-31 12:08 ` R Hill
2005-05-31 17:14 ` Dave Korn
2005-05-31 17:14 ` Daniel Berlin
2005-05-31 17:43 ` Dave Korn
2005-05-31 19:18 ` Daniel Berlin
2005-05-31 19:43 ` Dave Korn
2005-05-31 17:22 ` What is wrong with Bugzilla? [Was: Re: GCC and Floating-Point] Hugh Sasse
2005-05-29 12:54 ` Haren Visavadia
2005-05-29 15:19 ` Michael Veksler
2005-05-29 15:38 ` Giovanni Bajo
2005-05-29 18:16 ` Michael Veksler
2005-05-30 16:07 ` Daniel Berlin
2005-05-30 15:36 ` Michael Veksler
2005-05-30 15:28 ` Daniel Berlin
2005-05-30 15:28 ` Daniel Berlin
2005-05-29 17:23 ` Haren Visavadia
2005-05-30 15:25 ` Joe Buck
2005-05-30 15:31 ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-30 15:43 ` Daniel Berlin
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