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From: Robert Dewar <dewar@adacore.com>
To: Paul Schlie <schlie@comcast.net>
Cc: "Joseph S. Myers" <joseph@codesourcery.com>,
	 Dale Johannesen <dalej@apple.com>, Mike Stump <mrs@apple.com>,
	Andrew Pinski <pinskia@physics.uc.edu>,
	 GCC Development <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: basic VRP min/max range overflow question
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 02:44:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <42B62D7C.7070807@adacore.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BEDB3037.A8B5%schlie@comcast.net>

Paul Schlie wrote:

> The root of the concern being expressed is with respect to the compilers use
> of statically identified undefined behaviors as opportunities to invoke
> alternative semantics which are easily identified as being inconsistent with
> the target's native semantics, thus altering the logical behavior of the
> program than would otherwise have resulted. (without any halting solutions
> required)

You are still not understanding, these are NOT cases of "statically
identified undefined behavior". Those are the trivial cases that are
uninterestig.
> 
> As candidly, regardless of this being technically allowed, it should obvious
> that any optimization which may likely alter the behavior of a program
> should never be invoked without explicit request and ideally diagnosis of
> the resulting alternative possibly undesired and/or fatal behavior.

If the behavior is undefined, then it is undefined, and you cannot
talk about a change in behavior. This is what non-deterministic semantics
is about.
> 
> To be more clear, specifically as examples:
> 
> - As VRP relies on the static analysis of value ranges, primarily based
> on embedded implicit and/or explicit constant values which enables the

It most certainly is NOT possible to statically identify situations that
cause overflow. I cannot believe this is not clear to you.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-06-20  2:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-06-18 14:15 Paul Schlie
2005-06-18 16:19 ` Joseph S. Myers
2005-06-18 17:44   ` Paul Schlie
2005-06-18 18:05     ` Paul Schlie
2005-06-18 18:21       ` Joseph S. Myers
2005-06-18 18:50         ` Paul Schlie
2005-06-18 19:57           ` Joseph S. Myers
2005-06-18 21:01           ` Florian Weimer
2005-06-19 10:18             ` Kai Henningsen
2005-06-20 22:20           ` Mike Stump
2005-06-18 19:16         ` Paul Schlie
2005-06-18 21:26           ` Robert Dewar
2005-06-19 18:23             ` Paul Schlie
2005-06-20  2:44               ` Robert Dewar [this message]
2005-06-20  5:55                 ` Paul Schlie
2005-06-20 10:14                   ` Michael Veksler
2005-06-20 11:04                     ` Paul Schlie
2005-06-20 11:32                       ` Robert Dewar
2005-06-20 12:08                         ` Paul Schlie
2005-06-20 12:39                           ` Robert Dewar
2005-06-20 13:01                             ` Paul Schlie
2005-06-20 13:14                               ` Robert Dewar
2005-06-20 12:23                       ` Michael Veksler
2005-06-20 12:46                         ` Robert Dewar
2005-06-20 10:43                   ` Robert Dewar
2005-06-20 10:54                     ` Robert Dewar
2005-06-20 11:26                       ` Paul Schlie
2005-06-20 11:34                         ` Robert Dewar
2005-06-20 12:09                           ` Paul Schlie
2005-06-20 11:14                     ` Paul Schlie
2005-06-20 12:53                       ` Michael Veksler
2005-06-20 12:59                         ` Robert Dewar
2005-06-20 13:09                         ` Paul Schlie
2005-06-20 13:17                           ` Robert Dewar
2005-06-20 14:54                           ` Michael Veksler
2005-06-20 18:01                             ` Paul Schlie
2005-06-18 18:08     ` Joseph S. Myers
2005-06-18 21:08   ` Robert Dewar
2005-06-19 10:18     ` Kai Henningsen
2005-06-19 10:49       ` Robert Dewar
2005-06-20 13:22         ` Sebastian Pop
2005-06-20 18:10           ` DJ Delorie
2005-07-13  7:57             ` Sebastian Pop
2005-07-13 15:18               ` DJ Delorie
2005-06-21 15:21           ` Robert Dewar
2005-07-18 16:34             ` Sebastian Pop
2005-07-18 16:44               ` Robert Dewar
2005-07-19  6:44                 ` Sebastian Pop
2005-07-19  7:07                   ` Michael Veksler
2005-07-19  9:55                     ` Sebastian Pop
2005-07-19 10:22                       ` Michael Veksler
2005-06-20 19:53         ` Kai Henningsen
2005-06-18 20:55 ` Robert Dewar
2005-06-18 22:45 ` Tristan Wibberley
2005-06-20 21:47 ` Mike Stump
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-06-17 12:00 Paul Schlie
2005-06-17 12:09 ` Paolo Bonzini
2005-06-17 18:29   ` Paul Schlie
2005-06-17 22:09     ` Paolo Bonzini
2005-06-17 22:48     ` Diego Novillo
2005-06-18  0:20       ` Paul Schlie
2005-06-18  0:23         ` Andrew Pinski
2005-06-18  0:59           ` Paul Schlie
2005-06-18  1:10             ` Dale Johannesen
2005-06-18  4:09             ` Mike Stump
     [not found]             ` <25364524.1119085038744.JavaMail.root@dtm1eusosrv72.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net>
2005-06-18 11:47               ` Toon Moene
2005-06-18  2:02         ` Robert Dewar
2005-06-17  4:28 Paul Schlie
2005-06-17  7:03 ` Paolo Bonzini
2005-06-17 12:28 ` Diego Novillo

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