From: Basile STARYNKEVITCH <basile@starynkevitch.net>
Cc: gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: Progress on GCC plugins ?
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:31:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <473DD046.7050901@starynkevitch.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <10711161702.AA22436@vlsi1.ultra.nyu.edu>
Richard Kenner wrote:
>
> As was said before, the difficultly in people working with GCC is
> primarily lack of adequate documentation.
I am not sure of that.
GCC is a huge piece of software. This is the major difficulty: grasping
a 3MLOC software whose source is available, rather well commented, with
some documentation (I agree it could be better; feel free to add it at
least on the wiki).
Compare this to the Linux kernel (which I do not know in detail). While
it might be more documented in the source tree, it is certainly more
documented outside (there are several good books on kernel internals;
I'm not sure that equivalent books for GCC exist, and I would spend 50
euros -of my own money- for such a book if it existed).
And still, diving and contributing to the Linux kernel and/or to GCC is
really hard (I admit I don't know what is harder, and probably nobody
knows both software in the same details!).
The biggest barrier to working on GCC is a learning & working effort
barrier. I don't think documentation would help a lot (and maintaining
it is a nightmare).
I am not sure (I really don't know) if more documentation on GCC exist,
even inside companies with teams of a dozen of talented GCC
contributors. I don't believe (maybe I am wrong) that for instance IBM
or Google or AMD (or any company with several GCC developers full time)
have a lot of (maybe proprietary) internal documentation on GCC.
I even don't believe that competitor proprietary compilers are much more
documented than GCC.
GCC is an incredibly complex software (because any similar compiler has
to be complex and huge).
PS. My mentor on GCC has been Sebastian Pop. I'll never thank him enough!
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Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-11-07 8:37 Emmanuel Fleury
2007-11-07 16:47 ` Joe Buck
2007-11-07 17:11 ` Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2007-11-07 17:20 ` Tom Tromey
2007-11-07 17:34 ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-07 17:47 ` Chris Lattner
2007-11-08 13:02 ` Florian Weimer
2007-11-08 14:01 ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-07 17:49 ` Dave Korn
2007-11-07 18:45 ` David Edelsohn
2007-11-07 19:11 ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-07 21:55 ` Brendon Costa
2007-11-07 22:32 ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-07 22:43 ` Brendon Costa
2007-11-07 22:57 ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-07 23:43 ` David Edelsohn
2007-11-08 0:00 ` Brendon Costa
2007-11-07 23:44 ` Brendon Costa
2007-11-25 0:02 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-25 17:15 ` Richard Kenner
2007-11-08 12:57 ` Dave Korn
2007-11-08 0:10 ` Brendon Costa
2007-11-08 7:21 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-11-08 10:23 ` Emmanuel Fleury
2007-11-08 20:51 ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-09 18:12 ` Gerald.Williams
2007-11-15 21:43 ` Diego Novillo
2007-11-15 21:46 ` Joe Buck
2007-11-15 21:53 ` Richard Kenner
2007-11-15 22:04 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-11-15 22:46 ` Richard Kenner
2007-11-15 22:49 ` Diego Novillo
2007-11-15 23:24 ` Richard Kenner
2007-11-15 23:37 ` Diego Novillo
2007-11-16 0:24 ` Richard Kenner
2007-11-16 1:24 ` Diego Novillo
2007-11-24 23:31 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 23:33 ` Diego Novillo
2007-11-25 0:11 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-16 1:39 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-11-16 15:49 ` Alexander Lamaison
2007-11-16 16:08 ` Martin Jambor
2007-11-16 16:12 ` Alexander Lamaison
2007-11-15 22:54 ` Benjamin Smedberg
2007-11-15 23:50 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-11-15 22:53 ` Andrew Haley
2007-11-15 22:55 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-11-16 13:33 ` Andrew Haley
2007-11-16 16:18 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-11-16 16:21 ` Andrew Haley
2007-11-16 16:53 ` Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2007-11-16 16:56 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-11-16 16:58 ` Diego Novillo
2007-11-16 17:08 ` Andrew Haley
2007-11-16 17:10 ` Diego Novillo
2007-11-16 18:17 ` Benjamin Smedberg
2007-11-23 0:25 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-11-16 17:15 ` Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2007-11-24 23:22 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-25 0:10 ` Chris Lattner
2007-11-16 17:16 ` David Edelsohn
2007-11-16 17:25 ` Dep, Khushil (GE Money)
2007-11-16 17:32 ` Tom Tromey
2007-11-17 14:15 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2007-11-24 23:22 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 23:29 ` Richard Kenner
2007-11-25 20:43 ` Tom Tromey
2007-11-26 6:24 ` Taras Glek
2007-11-26 19:49 ` Tom Tromey
2007-11-26 21:31 ` Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2007-11-27 0:14 ` Tom Tromey
2007-11-27 20:51 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-28 7:53 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-11-16 17:18 ` Richard Kenner
2007-11-16 17:27 ` Joe Buck
2007-11-16 17:31 ` Basile STARYNKEVITCH [this message]
2007-11-16 17:38 ` Joe Buck
2007-11-16 19:21 ` Gerald.Williams
2007-11-16 19:58 ` Joe Buck
2007-11-16 21:43 ` Gerald.Williams
2007-11-16 18:54 ` Diego Novillo
2007-11-16 19:13 ` Martin Jambor
2007-11-18 22:12 ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-19 4:16 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2007-11-19 4:23 ` Richard Kenner
2007-11-19 9:11 ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-19 9:49 ` Richard Kenner
2007-11-19 10:21 ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-19 12:14 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2007-11-19 12:28 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2007-11-19 13:18 ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-19 8:26 ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-19 8:37 ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-16 16:24 ` Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2007-11-16 17:03 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-11-16 19:09 ` Martin Michlmayr
2007-11-16 20:27 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-11-16 0:01 ` Emmanuel Fleury
2007-11-16 17:27 ` Bernd Schmidt
2007-11-16 17:35 ` Richard Kenner
2007-11-16 18:41 ` Dave Korn
2007-11-16 17:46 ` Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2007-11-16 17:52 ` Joe Buck
2007-11-16 18:29 ` Diego Novillo
2007-11-17 11:39 ` Tom Tromey
2007-11-19 1:08 ` Brendon Costa
2007-11-15 22:47 ` Diego Novillo
2007-11-15 23:05 ` Richard Kenner
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