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From: Robert Dewar <dewar@adacore.com>
To: Andrew Haley <aph@redhat.com>
Cc: Alexandre Oliva <aoliva@redhat.com>,
	  Ian Lance Taylor <iant@google.com>,
	 gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: Designs for better debug info in GCC
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:11:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <476D11FE.6020404@adacore.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <18284.63659.225269.214216@zebedee.pink>

Andrew Haley wrote:

> We know you don't understand, but that isn't likely to change.  Would
> it not surely be better to cease this pointless argument and get on
> with the job of improving debuginfo?  This absolutist position you
> seem to have adopted isn't helping.
> 
> If we could talk about "better" and "worse" rather than "correct" and
> "incorrrect" we'd get much further.

I very much agree. Everyone is in favor of better debug information
if it is not too costly, we won't really see whether it is too costly
until we get some real data. But trying to argue for this in terms
of standards and conformance is a real red herring, the proper argument
for any improvement to debug information is utility.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-22 13:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 192+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <or4pg114h5.fsf@oliva.athome.lsd.ic.unicamp.br>
     [not found] ` <84fc9c000711050327x74845c78ya18a3329fcf9e4d2@mail.gmail.com>
2007-11-07  8:03   ` Designs for better debug info in GCC (was: Re: [vta] don't let debug insns get in the way of simple vect reduction) Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-07 16:37     ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-11-07 21:43       ` Designs for better debug info in GCC Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-07 23:05         ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-11-07 23:28           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-11-08  0:01           ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-08  0:28             ` David Edelsohn
2007-11-08  5:01               ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-08  5:15                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 18:44                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-23  2:20                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-11-23  2:30                   ` Richard Guenther
2007-11-23 23:40                     ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-11-23 23:56                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 13:52                     ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-08  5:44               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 18:37                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 20:51                 ` Andrew Pinski
2007-11-09  1:11                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-09 11:28                   ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-08  6:39             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 19:13               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 20:07               ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-08 20:14                 ` David Daney
2007-11-08 20:41                   ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-09  9:10                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-12 10:55                   ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-12 18:22                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-12 20:08                       ` Joe Buck
2007-11-24 22:12                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 22:42                           ` Richard Kenner
2007-11-12 22:43                       ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-11-24  1:44                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-13 10:50                       ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-24  4:05                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-13 15:46                       ` Michael Matz
2007-11-23 23:56                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-26 18:19                           ` Michael Matz
2007-11-27  7:31                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-27 18:33                               ` Michael Matz
2007-11-27 20:37                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 10:11             ` Richard Guenther
2007-11-08  5:14           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 18:28             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 19:23             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-11-09  0:08               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-09  1:26                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-11-09 12:22                   ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-12 12:59                     ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-12 18:05                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-12 18:09                         ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-24  4:31                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-26  6:10                             ` Mark Mitchell
2007-12-05 14:21                               ` Diego Novillo
2007-12-05 22:10                                 ` Joe Buck
2007-12-15 22:51                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-16  6:27                                   ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-16 12:47                                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-17  1:27                                       ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-17  5:38                                         ` Joe Buck
2007-12-17  8:20                                           ` Geert Bosch
2007-12-18  1:24                                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18  2:02                                               ` Joe Buck
2007-12-18  4:40                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18  7:45                                                   ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-18  7:56                                                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18 13:29                                                       ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-18 22:15                                                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18  6:16                                               ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-18  8:09                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-17 18:33                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-17 17:59                                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-17 18:02                                           ` Diego Novillo
2007-12-17 20:43                                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-17 21:20                                               ` Diego Novillo
2007-12-18  1:01                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18  1:14                                                   ` Diego Novillo
2007-12-18  5:17                                                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18  8:06                                                       ` Kai Henningsen
2007-12-18  8:39                                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18 13:15                                                         ` Diego Novillo
2007-12-18 15:06                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18 16:22                                                         ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-18 16:28                                                           ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-18 16:31                                                             ` Andrew Haley
2007-12-18 16:42                                                               ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-18 17:04                                                                 ` Andrew Haley
2007-12-18 17:12                                                               ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-18 16:32                                                             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-12-18 16:44                                                               ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-19  4:30                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-19 18:41                                                             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-19 19:00                                                               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-12-19 19:53                                                               ` Janis Johnson
2007-12-19 21:17                                                                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-20  6:10                                                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-20 16:52                                                                     ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-20 21:38                                                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-21  1:54                                                                         ` Ian Lance Taylor
     [not found]                                                                           ` <orprx0izhp.fsf@oliva.atho! me.lsd.ic.unicamp.br>
2007-12-21  2:11                                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-21  3:16                                                                             ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-21  5:10                                                                             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-21 18:12                                                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-21 19:32                                                                                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-21 22:46                                                                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-22  0:07                                                                                     ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-22  0:09                                                                                       ` Andrew Pinski
2007-12-22  3:16                                                                                         ` Andrew Pinski
2007-12-22 11:44                                                                                           ` Chris Lattner
2007-12-22 21:27                                                                                             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-23 17:40                                                                                       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-12-22  7:38                                                                                     ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-22 13:33                                                                                     ` Andrew Haley
2007-12-22 17:11                                                                                       ` Robert Dewar [this message]
2007-12-31 19:39                                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-20  8:00                                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-20  8:01                                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-20 17:02                                                                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-31 16:55                                                           ` Richard Guenther
     [not found]                                                             ` <y0my7baigdf.fsf@ton.toronto.redhat.com>
2008-01-01 17:31                                                               ` Richard Guenther
2007-12-18 23:19                                                         ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-19  6:07                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-19  6:18                                                             ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-19 16:01                                                               ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-19 16:29                                                                 ` Andrew MacLeod
2007-12-19 19:25                                                                   ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-19 20:00                                                                 ` Andrew MacLeod
2007-12-19 20:40                                                                   ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-19 20:00                                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-19 21:11                                                                   ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-20  5:16                                                                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-20 16:44                                                                       ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-20 20:42                                                                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-19 20:03                                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18 23:31                                                         ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-19  4:35                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-19 16:12                                                             ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-19 19:13                                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-19 20:11                                                                 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-12-31 14:45                                               ` Richard Guenther
2007-12-16 22:20                                   ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-09 12:31                   ` Seongbae Park (박성배, 朴成培)
2007-11-09 12:42                     ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-07 17:25     ` Designs for better debug info in GCC (was: Re: [vta] don't let debug insns get in the way of simple vect reduction) Michael Matz
2007-11-07 19:03       ` Designs for better debug info in GCC Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 11:22         ` Michael Matz
2007-11-08 15:13           ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-08 16:11             ` H.J. Lu
2007-11-08 16:32             ` Michael Matz
2007-11-08 18:18               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-09 14:23                 ` Michael Matz
2007-11-12 18:17                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-13 14:22                     ` Michael Matz
2007-11-24  4:58                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-26 18:10                         ` Michael Matz
2007-11-27  3:48                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 17:48             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-09  2:09               ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-12 17:52                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-09  2:13               ` Joe Buck
2007-11-09 18:40                 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-11-09 19:02                   ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-08 16:37           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-13  7:52 Steven Bosscher
2007-11-23 23:40 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 10:27   ` Steven Bosscher
2007-11-24 15:08     ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 15:18       ` Richard Kenner
2007-11-24 20:21         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 20:48           ` Bernd Schmidt
2007-11-24 22:01             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 22:34               ` Richard Guenther
2007-11-25  1:21                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-25  2:36                   ` Richard Guenther
2007-11-26 11:37                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-26 12:38                       ` Richard Guenther
2007-11-26 18:10                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-25  0:20               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 21:24           ` Richard Kenner
2007-11-24 21:55             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-25  0:39           ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-15 20:32             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-15 21:41               ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-24 16:07       ` Steven Bosscher
2007-11-24 20:11         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 20:46           ` Richard Guenther
2007-11-26 18:36 J.C. Pizarro
2007-11-26 18:55 ` J.C. Pizarro
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