From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from 9.mo68.mail-out.ovh.net (9.mo68.mail-out.ovh.net [46.105.78.111]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 885063896C2A for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 11:57:01 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 885063896C2A Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=tesio.it Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=giacomo@tesio.it Received: from player168.ha.ovh.net (unknown [10.108.20.144]) by mo68.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F806194A89 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:57:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tesio.it (94-35-39-55.client-mvno.tiscali.it [94.35.39.55]) (Authenticated sender: giacomo@tesio.it) by player168.ha.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D9C841D2E448B; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 11:56:56 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: garm.ovh; auth=pass (GARM-106R006049f4254-472d-4006-9373-d19547ffab30, 4E3CB11D36B986598BCA867458273DEA14C71268) smtp.auth=giacomo@tesio.it X-OVh-ClientIp: 94.35.39.55 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 11:56:56 +0000 In-Reply-To: <40f0e05b-3156-a649-b636-c90b8b8e0f8@pfeifer.com> References: <20210414131843.GA4138043@thyrsus.com> <20210414142310.98E0833DD0@vlsi1.gnat.com> <20210414152112.GD4138043@thyrsus.com> <20210415134907.GA51340@thyrsus.com> <96db05d78cb1f829d0b3ce3026ac15a335fffd41.camel@redhat.com> <3e0b8d933eef3eb7f12e86bf6bc92dec6965065d.camel@silogroup.org> <40f0e05b-3156-a649-b636-c90b8b8e0f8@pfeifer.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers To: gcc@gcc.gnu.org, Gerald Pfeifer , Frosku From: Giacomo Tesio Message-ID: <4A7DE074-9600-4513-A05C-566926D447BE@tesio.it> X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 14774903006298893896 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: -100 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledrudeliedgudejgecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfqggfjpdevjffgvefmvefgnecuuegrihhlohhuthemucehtddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpeffjghfgggtgffuvffhkfesthhqmhdttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepifhirggtohhmohcuvfgvshhiohcuoehgihgrtghomhhosehtvghsihhordhitheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepleevvedvgfekuddtlefhvefglefhteeigefhledukeejfeejfeegfeekffehvedtnecuffhomhgrihhnpehgnhhurdhorhhgnecukfhppedtrddtrddtrddtpdelgedrfeehrdefledrheehnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhpqdhouhhtpdhhvghlohepphhlrgihvghrudeikedrhhgrrdhovhhhrdhnvghtpdhinhgvtheptddrtddrtddrtddpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehgihgrtghomhhosehtvghsihhordhithdprhgtphhtthhopehgtggtsehgtggtrdhgnhhurdhorhhg X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, KAM_SHORT, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 11:57:12 -0000 Hi Gerald,, On April 17, 2021 9:09:19 AM UTC, Gerald Pfeifer wr= ote: > On Fri, 16 Apr 2021, Frosku wrote: > > In my view, if people employed by a small number of American > companies > > succeed in disassociating GCC from GNU/FSF, which is representative > > of the free software grassroots community >=20 > I find this insistant focus by some on "American companies"=20 > interesting - and quite pointless=2E And my passport is burgundy=2E So much that in fact, we are talking about some of the most controversial corporation in the whole world=2E And while we are talking about "toxic emailers", it's not lost to me the irony that all this divisive debate about inclusive and righteous=20 behaviour started with an email of a Facebook employee that defines working in Facebook "a joy"=2E https://gcc=2Egnu=2Eorg/pipermail/gcc/2021-March/235091=2Ehtml Yeah the same Facebook that still does what Cambridge Analytica used to=2E > It also is a completely unwarranted attack on the integrity of the > maintainers, contributors, and other leaders of GCC=2E Regardless of > the color of their passports=2E This is a strawman=2E People are just concerned about the undue influence that these controversi= al corporations can have on GCC through the influence they have on their em= ployees=2E It would be overly naive to pretend that the Steering Committee members'= =20 are not influenced by their affiliations, even if we were not talking abou= t the champions of surveillance capitalism=2E And this has nothing to do with their integrity=2E Why should they have declared such affiliations in the SC's web page, if they were irrelevant? Because they acknowledge that their affiliations have a non-negligible influence on what they do and what they do not=2E Also this has nothing to do with their passports=2E In fact, as you say, > The majority of the FSF board,=20 > FSF leadership, and RMS himself are American from what I can tell=2E It was Nathan who framed his request in term of culture, politics and whiteness and priviledge=2E=2E=2E And since the GCC Steering Committe did what he requested, we have to assume that these are the kind of arguments that we have to debunk, providing you with a more varied perspective=2E But unfortunately you keep invalidating our perspective because=2E=2E=2E w= e are "jerks"=2E Giacomo