From: Basile Starynkevitch <basile@starynkevitch.net>
To: Ian Lance Taylor <iant@google.com>
Cc: gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: Notes from the GROW'10 workshop panel (GCC research opportunities workshop)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 08:26:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BC634F1.6030906@starynkevitch.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mcrvdbtrcda.fsf@dhcp-172-17-9-151.mtv.corp.google.com>
Ian Lance Taylor wrote:
> Basile Starynkevitch <basile@starynkevitch.net> writes:
>
>> My point is that academics can quite easily contribute to GPL
>> software, but much harder obtain the necessary legal authorizations to
>> transfer copyright to FSF. My intuition is that if (in a different
>> past & a different world which did not happen) GCC was only GPLv2+
>> without the FSF copyright requirement -exactly as Linux kernel is,
>> things would have been much different.
>
> That is likely true, but it's something that we really don't want to
> change. The FSF could and should make the copyright disclaimer much
> simpler--for example, you can do Google's copyright disclaimer on a
> web page (http://code.google.com/legal/individual-cla-v1.0.html). But
> avoiding the copyright disclaimer entirely is what permitted, e.g.,
> the SCO debacle to occur.
From what I understood of the runtime exception of GCC, plugins should
be GPLv3 licensed but are not requested to be FSF copyrighted. Of course
such plugin code is not inside GCC FSF (I am expecting it would be
hosted elsewhere, e.g. on some university site; of course FSF owned
plugins -like MELT- are different).
From the point of view of an academic, that makes a significant
difference. And even if he/she want to push code inside GCC (and for
that he still will need the transfer to FSF, unless GCC changes a lot),
convincing his big boss to sign a paper is less terrible when you
actually have some code (in a plugin form) that really has some outside
interest. In that (optimistic) situation, the academic could spend some
of his time to get the legal papers signed.
Before the plugins, the academics could fork GCC (a huge non academic
task) and work on his fork (practically unlikely) or should take the
effort to get the legal papers signed before coding the first line of
code (very hard, and very discouraging).
A university (or research institute) boss in big suit [able to sign
legal papers] is probably more keen to sign a legal paper with the FSF
once some code -from his university- exist which attracts outside
interest, and not before.
And my personal preference on GCC licensing would be more a Linux-kernel
like GPL with copyright belonging to authors employee (I don't feel a
SCO like issue as a major threat today; it might have been ten years
ago). That is much easier to get than a copyright transfer to FSF.
And GCC is probably less threatened today by legal issues à la SCO than
by obesity, obsolescence, outside competition -eg LLVM- and perhaps even
less interest by industry for the low level languages (C, C++, Ada) GCC
is processing. Even in industry, scripting languages (or languages like
Java or C# which are not practically significant for GCC) have more
market share than a dozen years ago.
Cheers.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-04-14 21:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-04-11 14:01 Dorit Nuzman
2010-04-11 18:27 ` Chris Lattner
2010-04-11 19:38 ` Grigori Fursin
2010-04-11 20:25 ` Chris Lattner
2010-04-11 20:58 ` Grigori Fursin
2010-04-14 14:34 ` Grigori Fursin
2010-04-14 14:58 ` Steven Bosscher
2010-04-14 15:21 ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-14 15:30 ` Steven Bosscher
2010-04-14 15:36 ` Diego Novillo
2010-04-14 15:50 ` Nathan Froyd
2010-04-14 15:57 ` Richard Guenther
2010-04-14 19:19 ` Tom Tromey
2010-04-14 16:06 ` Diego Novillo
2010-04-14 18:30 ` Richard Guenther
2010-04-14 18:49 ` Toon Moene
2010-04-14 19:52 ` Basile Starynkevitch
2010-04-14 20:31 ` Toon Moene
2010-04-14 20:43 ` Toon Moene
2010-04-14 21:02 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2010-04-14 21:34 ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-15 8:26 ` Basile Starynkevitch [this message]
2010-04-15 8:38 ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-15 12:03 ` Basile Starynkevitch
2010-04-15 12:07 ` Andrew Haley
2010-04-15 12:15 ` Steven Bosscher
2010-04-15 12:17 ` Andrew Haley
2010-04-22 9:18 ` Laurent GUERBY
2010-04-14 21:04 ` Nathan Froyd
2010-04-14 19:42 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2010-04-14 15:44 ` Duncan Sands
2010-04-15 9:05 ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-16 12:36 ` Grigori Fursin
2010-04-16 17:15 ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-16 17:40 ` Grigori Fursin
2010-04-27 12:40 ` Grigori Fursin
2010-04-27 16:31 ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2010-04-27 18:42 ` Grigori Fursin
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