From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15184 invoked by alias); 3 Dec 2007 15:48:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 15170 invoked by uid 22791); 3 Dec 2007 15:48:53 -0000 X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.187) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.31) with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:48:48 +0000 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f5so2632359rvb for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:48:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.171.6 with SMTP id t6mr485512wfe.1196696925963; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:48:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.217.1 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 07:48:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4aca3dc20712030748v24872dbak7773e2621020e873@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:48:00 -0000 From: "Daniel Berlin" To: "Richard Kenner" Subject: Re: Rant about ChangeLog entries and commit messages Cc: bernds_cb1@t-online.de, ebotcazou@libertysurf.fr, gcc@gcc.gnu.org, sam@rfc1149.net, schwab@suse.de In-Reply-To: <10712031329.AA20246@vlsi1.ultra.nyu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2007-12-02-11-05-39+trackit+sam@rfc1149.net> <200712022136.57819.ebotcazou@libertysurf.fr> <4aca3dc20712021240k19f3eae5j66453276179c401a@mail.gmail.com> <200712022355.23871.ebotcazou@libertysurf.fr> <4aca3dc20712021621n39a036d2u21f471f231dfffe@mail.gmail.com> <10712031329.AA20246@vlsi1.ultra.nyu.edu> X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: Sender: gcc-owner@gcc.gnu.org X-SW-Source: 2007-12/txt/msg00070.txt.bz2 On 12/3/07, Richard Kenner wrote: > > Sorry, but again, this is not a good enough justification to me. > > We do a lot of things different than "The GNU Project". > > So do plenty of parts of the "official GNU project". > > They use different coding standards, bug tracking systems, version > > control systems, checkin policies, etc, than each other. > > Yes, but none of those are visible other than to the development community. > People who obtain the source distributions of projects don't get to see > those things. They DO see things like the ChangeLog format and coding > and documentation conventions and THOSE are the things that need to be > common among GNU projects. Except they aren't, across large parts of the GNU project. You may find it the same in the "traditional" parts of the GNU project (IE coreutils, emacs, etc). It's certainly not the same across any of the newer parts of the GNU project.