From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pj1-x102d.google.com (mail-pj1-x102d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::102d]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7B233945C06 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2021 17:19:19 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org C7B233945C06 Received: by mail-pj1-x102d.google.com with SMTP id t23so8814927pjy.3 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2021 10:19:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=UgYJ1oCymaHxWtigoHSx5xbwn0FpbInmMhYn9YaY9dk=; b=TNJ9rq2dL6xunS9j7kyv8BRathDHxkQ/6StLGDcj6psoSfgjsSABxSBvONJXvatSX8 E9ZiadcrBvHtvfkPl9upC5l0GrFd03FfEHxgqtYe79nq7StkzizA1T+iVgA5/GKzVtdy xjyiTh9zHGbBaf1lGpMkrDMxqXn+4LT7dZVWoBUPBTPtPh1H5AlmotHuOKNO3yMT+sQM FfQIVSnAGZEBJoBVegLvC6smoBrbT/lzZw3W1hSqprzq4Lrn4QNc/WUv/zqoulVcesNm LtUK/InWDMkjExH8i+TN7j7vd+95UOvKbeOxox+RPNj75wC1HkPXmUCWLq7ImaikOoBn 0UHg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5309Z8TV/V+GBq3ioOz4T2QXdM1IKP15zqQQVM2kntRpyr8A7mmA ov4D5SxGj7oH1bPCxgLM9UA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyXSk3BuX1effQaI/WdC094vTeG8RjELDKeh5VraQ0jC22tr7zIZJPej5o08Hir6gCo6F6Sww== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:654d:b029:ea:ee2b:7c04 with SMTP id d13-20020a170902654db02900eaee2b7c04mr12789242pln.48.1618334358761; Tue, 13 Apr 2021 10:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-98-202-48-222.hsd1.ut.comcast.net. [98.202.48.222]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l6sm15178344pgf.35.2021.04.13.10.19.17 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 13 Apr 2021 10:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: GCC association with the FSF To: Thomas Koenig , Richard Biener , Nathan Sidwell Cc: Richard Sandiford , GCC Development , Mark Wielaard , David Brown References: <20210330151656.00007e20@tesio.it> <20210330232849.00001697@tesio.it> <20210331113417.GU2685@wildebeest.org> <20210406222225.GF2711@wildebeest.org> <5547d308f400aa62746b421dad2968dd6321aeae.camel@redhat.com> <20210408194826.GB30119@wildebeest.org> <87y2dplyy5.fsf@googlemail.com> <5ce167be-d5ea-1261-9238-4ee1c6a2150b@hesbynett.no> <81abf7b0-cc9e-78d3-c254-8581bce8edd6@gmail.com> <1b73a3d2-4e7e-d226-ccc6-5002997b1ea0@netcologne.de> From: Jeff Law Message-ID: <4d1e7a20-5b8e-3cf5-84a2-54414e348d3a@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 11:19:17 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1b73a3d2-4e7e-d226-ccc6-5002997b1ea0@netcologne.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, FREEMAIL_FROM, NICE_REPLY_A, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 17:19:21 -0000 On 4/13/2021 10:52 AM, Thomas Koenig wrote: > On 13.04.21 16:40, Jeff Law via Gcc wrote: >> An EGCS-like split like we had in the late 90s is, IMHO, a definite >> possibility here > > Such a move would, in all probability, leave both parts of the split > GCC with too few developers to compete against LLVM, thus rendering > GCC irrelevant and ruining an important project for free software. > > (I don't like the idea, for the record). I'm not sure there'll be that much of a community split.  Based on what I've seen *so far* it'd be less of a split than we had with EGCS.  But that's precisely why I want folks to chime in, particularly those doing the day-to-date development work -- I want to see what the likely impact on the development community would be rather than going with just what *I* want. jeff