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From: "Rafał Pietrak" <embedded@ztk-rp.eu>
To: "Richard Earnshaw (lists)" <Richard.Earnshaw@arm.com>,
	Ian Lance Taylor <iant@golang.org>
Cc: Martin Uecker <muecker@gwdg.de>, "gcc@gcc.gnu.org" <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: wishlist: support for shorter pointers
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 19:34:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53154623-01fc-62e6-fe25-9f164b67e6e3@ztk-rp.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <33c6c1a6-ca51-bf57-fdcd-d62b738a6f99@arm.com>



W dniu 3.07.2023 o 18:57, Richard Earnshaw (lists) pisze:
> On 03/07/2023 17:42, Rafał Pietrak via Gcc wrote:
>> Hi Ian,
[---------]
>> And WiKi reporting up to 40% performance improvements in some corner 
>> cases is impressive and encouraging. I believe, that the reported 
>> average of 5-8% improvement would be significantly better within MCU 
>> tiny resources environment. In MCU world, such improvement could mean 
>> fit-nofit of a project into a particular device.
>>
>> -R
> 
> I think you need to be very careful when reading benchmarketing (sic) 
> numbers like this.  Firstly, this is a 32-bit vs 64-bit measurement; 
> secondly, the benchmark (spec 2000) is very old now and IIRC was not 
> fully optimized for 64-bit processors (it predates the 64-bit version of 
> the x86 instruction set); thirdly, there are benchmarks in SPEC which 
> are very sensitive to cache size and the 32-bit ABI just happened to 
> allow them to fit enough data in the caches to make the numbers leap.

Yes. Sure. I am. I thought I've expressed it clearly, that the 
"fantastic 40%" I regard as just "corner case" - those don't usually 
reflect ordinary usage.

I was only highlighting the fact, that mare 5-8% improvement can result 
on fit-nofit of a particular design into a particular device ... in 
consequence requiring to use 4k-RAM device instead of 2k-RAM one.

Tiny improvements of performance of x64 workhorses can become relatively 
huge in micros like stm32. That's all.

-R

  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-03 17:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-27 12:26 Rafał Pietrak
2023-06-28  1:54 ` waffl3x
2023-06-28  7:13   ` Rafał Pietrak
2023-06-28  7:31     ` Jonathan Wakely
2023-06-28  8:35       ` Rafał Pietrak
2023-06-28  9:56         ` waffl3x
2023-06-28 10:43           ` Rafał Pietrak
2023-06-28 12:12             ` waffl3x
2023-06-28 12:23               ` Rafał Pietrak
2023-07-03 14:52         ` David Brown
2023-07-03 16:29           ` Rafał Pietrak
2023-07-04 14:20             ` Rafał Pietrak
2023-07-04 15:13               ` David Brown
2023-07-04 16:15                 ` Rafał Pietrak
2023-06-28  7:34     ` waffl3x
2023-06-28  8:41       ` Rafał Pietrak
2023-06-28 13:00 ` Martin Uecker
2023-06-28 14:51   ` Rafał Pietrak
2023-06-28 15:44     ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2023-06-28 16:07       ` Martin Uecker
2023-06-28 16:49         ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2023-06-28 17:00           ` Martin Uecker
2023-06-28 16:48       ` Rafał Pietrak
2023-06-29  6:19       ` Rafał Pietrak
2023-07-03 15:07         ` Ian Lance Taylor
2023-07-03 16:42           ` Rafał Pietrak
2023-07-03 16:57             ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2023-07-03 17:34               ` Rafał Pietrak [this message]
2023-07-04 12:38             ` David Brown
2023-07-04 12:57               ` Oleg Endo
2023-07-04 14:46               ` Rafał Pietrak
2023-07-04 15:55                 ` David Brown
2023-07-04 16:20                   ` Rafał Pietrak
2023-07-04 22:57                 ` Martin Uecker
2023-07-05  5:26                   ` Rafał Pietrak
2023-07-05  7:29                     ` Martin Uecker
2023-07-05  8:05                       ` Rafał Pietrak
2023-07-05  9:11                         ` David Brown
2023-07-05  9:25                           ` Martin Uecker
2023-07-05 11:34                             ` David Brown
2023-07-05 12:01                               ` Martin Uecker
2023-07-05  9:42                           ` Rafał Pietrak
2023-07-05 11:55                             ` David Brown
2023-07-05 12:25                               ` Rafał Pietrak
2023-07-05 12:57                                 ` David Brown
2023-07-05 13:29                                   ` Rafał Pietrak
2023-07-05 14:45                                     ` David Brown
2023-07-05 16:13                                       ` Rafał Pietrak
2023-07-05 17:39                                         ` David Brown
2023-07-06  7:00                                           ` Rafał Pietrak
2023-07-06 12:53                                             ` David Brown
2023-07-05  9:29                         ` Martin Uecker
2023-07-05 10:17                           ` Rafał Pietrak
2023-07-05 10:48                             ` Martin Uecker

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