From: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
To: Andrew Haley <aph@redhat.com>,
Jeff Prothero <jprother@altera.com>,
gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: Obscure crashes due to gcc 4.9 -O2 => -fisolate-erroneous-paths-dereference
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 11:45:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <54E71E4A.3050503@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54E6FEA4.8000104@redhat.com>
On 02/20/2015 10:30 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> I doubt that such a thing is ever going to be safe. The idea that a
> null pointer points to nothing is so hard-baked into the design of C
> that you can't get away from it. Also, almost every C programmer and
> especially library writer "knows" that a null pointer points to
> nothing.
NULL pointer dereferences (or NULL pointer with small offsets) were
common programming idioms in the DOS days because the interrupt vector
table was located at this address. Quite a few systems once had a
readable page zero, and (manual, I assume) optimizations for list
traversal (p != NULL && p->next != NULL â p->next != NULL) were commonly
used on these systems.
I think the treatment of pointers not as addresses, but something that
has type information and provenience associated with it, came much
later, when most of the design was already settled.
--
Florian Weimer / Red Hat Product Security
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-02-20 11:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-02-18 19:24 Jeff Prothero
2015-02-18 19:29 ` Jakub Jelinek
2015-02-19 20:56 ` Sandra Loosemore
2015-02-19 21:16 ` Daniel Gutson
2015-02-19 22:10 ` Jakub Jelinek
2015-02-19 22:26 ` Sandra Loosemore
2015-02-19 21:23 ` Joel Sherrill
2015-02-19 21:56 ` Chris Johns
2015-02-20 17:30 ` Jeff Law
2015-02-26 16:23 ` David Malcolm
2015-02-27 20:55 ` [RFC/patch for stage1] Embed compiler dumps into generated .o files (was Re: Obscure crashes due to gcc 4.9 -O2 => -fisolate-erroneous-paths-dereference) David Malcolm
2015-02-20 11:06 ` Obscure crashes due to gcc 4.9 -O2 => -fisolate-erroneous-paths-dereference Florian Weimer
2015-02-20 11:43 ` Jonathan Wakely
2015-02-20 12:05 ` Florian Weimer
2015-02-20 17:01 ` Jeff Law
2015-02-20 17:09 ` Florian Weimer
2015-02-20 17:32 ` Jeff Law
2015-02-20 18:01 ` Paul_Koning
2015-02-20 12:11 ` Jakub Jelinek
2015-02-20 17:03 ` Jeff Law
2015-03-03 19:57 ` Martin Sebor
2015-03-03 23:38 ` Jeff Law
2015-03-04 12:36 ` Richard Biener
2015-02-20 12:13 ` Andrew Haley
2015-02-20 17:03 ` Jeff Law
2015-02-18 19:30 ` Andrew Pinski
2015-02-20 9:30 ` Andrew Haley
2015-02-20 11:45 ` Florian Weimer [this message]
2015-02-20 17:01 ` Jeff Law
2015-02-20 18:07 ` Paul_Koning
2015-02-20 1:04 Jeff Prothero
2015-02-27 22:13 Manuel López-Ibáñez
2015-03-03 8:41 ` Chris Johns
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