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From: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
To: Andrew Haley <aph@redhat.com>,
	Jeff Prothero <jprother@altera.com>,
	       gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: Obscure crashes due to gcc 4.9 -O2 => -fisolate-erroneous-paths-dereference
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 11:45:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54E71E4A.3050503@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54E6FEA4.8000104@redhat.com>

On 02/20/2015 10:30 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> I doubt that such a thing is ever going to be safe.  The idea that a
> null pointer points to nothing is so hard-baked into the design of C
> that you can't get away from it.  Also, almost every C programmer and
> especially library writer "knows" that a null pointer points to
> nothing.

NULL pointer dereferences (or NULL pointer with small offsets) were
common programming idioms in the DOS days because the interrupt vector
table was located at this address.  Quite a few systems once had a
readable page zero, and (manual, I assume) optimizations for list
traversal (p != NULL && p->next != NULL → p->next != NULL) were commonly
used on these systems.

I think the treatment of pointers not as addresses, but something that
has type information and provenience associated with it, came much
later, when most of the design was already settled.

-- 
Florian Weimer / Red Hat Product Security

  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-20 11:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-18 19:24 Jeff Prothero
2015-02-18 19:29 ` Jakub Jelinek
2015-02-19 20:56   ` Sandra Loosemore
2015-02-19 21:16     ` Daniel Gutson
2015-02-19 22:10       ` Jakub Jelinek
2015-02-19 22:26         ` Sandra Loosemore
2015-02-19 21:23     ` Joel Sherrill
2015-02-19 21:56       ` Chris Johns
2015-02-20 17:30         ` Jeff Law
2015-02-26 16:23           ` David Malcolm
2015-02-27 20:55             ` [RFC/patch for stage1] Embed compiler dumps into generated .o files (was Re: Obscure crashes due to gcc 4.9 -O2 => -fisolate-erroneous-paths-dereference) David Malcolm
2015-02-20 11:06     ` Obscure crashes due to gcc 4.9 -O2 => -fisolate-erroneous-paths-dereference Florian Weimer
2015-02-20 11:43       ` Jonathan Wakely
2015-02-20 12:05         ` Florian Weimer
2015-02-20 17:01         ` Jeff Law
2015-02-20 17:09           ` Florian Weimer
2015-02-20 17:32             ` Jeff Law
2015-02-20 18:01           ` Paul_Koning
2015-02-20 12:11       ` Jakub Jelinek
2015-02-20 17:03         ` Jeff Law
2015-03-03 19:57           ` Martin Sebor
2015-03-03 23:38             ` Jeff Law
2015-03-04 12:36               ` Richard Biener
2015-02-20 12:13       ` Andrew Haley
2015-02-20 17:03       ` Jeff Law
2015-02-18 19:30 ` Andrew Pinski
2015-02-20  9:30 ` Andrew Haley
2015-02-20 11:45   ` Florian Weimer [this message]
2015-02-20 17:01     ` Jeff Law
2015-02-20 18:07       ` Paul_Koning
2015-02-20  1:04 Jeff Prothero
2015-02-27 22:13 Manuel López-Ibáñez
2015-03-03  8:41 ` Chris Johns

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