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From: "Steven Bosscher" <stevenb.gcc@gmail.com>
To: "Alexandre Oliva" <aoliva@redhat.com>
Cc: "Mark Mitchell" <mark@codesourcery.com>,
	 	"Ian Lance Taylor" <iant@google.com>,
	 	"Richard Guenther" <richard.guenther@gmail.com>,
	 	gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org, gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: Designs for better debug info in GCC
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:27:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <571f6b510711231556o439e7bbek9ab4855079bab51d@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <orpry0k7xg.fsf@oliva.athome.lsd.ic.unicamp.br>

On Nov 23, 2007 9:45 PM, Alexandre Oliva <aoliva@redhat.com> wrote:
> So, yes, debug stmts and insns are notes in the sense that they don't
> output code.  Like USE insns, labels, empty asm insns and other
> UNSPECs.  But wait, those are insns, not notes.  And they do generate
> code, just not in the .text section, but rather in .debug sections.

All of them relate to code generation though.  Without them, we create
wrong code.  I'm aware of how you feel about debug info and
correctness and so on.

> So, what's this prejudice against debug insns?  Why do you regard them
> as notes rather than insns?

What worries me is that GCC will have to special-case DEBUG_INSN
everywhere where it looks at INSNs.  One can already see some of that
happening on your branch.  Apparently, you can't treat DEBUG_INSN just
like any other normal insn.

What I see happening with your DEBUG_INSN approach, is that all passes
that use NEXT_INSN/PREV_INSN will have to special-case DEBUG_INSN in
addition to the NOTE_P or INSN_P checks that they already have.  I
have seen too many bugs with passes who forgot to look through notes
to feel comfortable about adding another
not-a-note-but-also-not-an-insn like thing to the insn stream. The
fact that DEBUG_INSN also has real operands that are not really real
operands is bound to confuse the matter even more.  Life with proper
insn and operands iterators for RTL would be so much easier, but for
the moment I fear you're just going to see a lot of duplication of
ugly conditionals and bugs where such conditionals are
forgotten/overlooked/missing.

So to summarize: I'm just worried your approach is going to make GCC
even slower, buggier, more difficult to maintain and more difficult to
understand and modify.  And the benefit, well, let's just say I'm not
convinced that less elaborate efforts are not sufficient.

(And to be perfectly honest, I think GCC has bigger issues to solve
than getting perfect debug info -- such as getting compile times of a
linux kernel down ;-))

Gr.
Steven

  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-23 23:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 189+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-13  7:52 Steven Bosscher
2007-11-23 23:40 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 10:27   ` Steven Bosscher [this message]
2007-11-24 15:08     ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 15:18       ` Richard Kenner
2007-11-24 20:21         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 20:48           ` Bernd Schmidt
2007-11-24 22:01             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 22:34               ` Richard Guenther
2007-11-25  1:21                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-25  2:36                   ` Richard Guenther
2007-11-26 11:37                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-26 12:38                       ` Richard Guenther
2007-11-26 18:10                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-25  0:20               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 21:24           ` Richard Kenner
2007-11-24 21:55             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-25  0:39           ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-15 20:32             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-15 21:41               ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-24 16:07       ` Steven Bosscher
2007-11-24 20:11         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 20:46           ` Richard Guenther
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2007-12-23  0:52                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-23  1:32                           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-12-23  1:36                             ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-23  5:55                               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-11-26 18:36 J.C. Pizarro
2007-11-26 18:55 ` J.C. Pizarro
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2007-11-07  8:03   ` Designs for better debug info in GCC (was: Re: [vta] don't let debug insns get in the way of simple vect reduction) Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-07 16:37     ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-11-07 21:43       ` Designs for better debug info in GCC Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-07 23:05         ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-11-07 23:28           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-11-08  0:01           ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-08  0:28             ` David Edelsohn
2007-11-08  5:01               ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-08  5:15                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 18:44                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-23  2:20                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-11-23  2:30                   ` Richard Guenther
2007-11-23 23:40                     ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-11-23 23:56                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 13:52                     ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-08  5:44               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 18:37                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 20:51                 ` Andrew Pinski
2007-11-09  1:11                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-09 11:28                   ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-08  6:39             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 19:13               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 20:07               ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-08 20:14                 ` David Daney
2007-11-08 20:41                   ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-09  9:10                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-12 10:55                   ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-12 18:22                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-12 20:08                       ` Joe Buck
2007-11-24 22:12                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 22:42                           ` Richard Kenner
2007-11-12 22:43                       ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-11-24  1:44                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-13 10:50                       ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-24  4:05                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-13 15:46                       ` Michael Matz
2007-11-23 23:56                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-26 18:19                           ` Michael Matz
2007-11-27  7:31                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-27 18:33                               ` Michael Matz
2007-11-27 20:37                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 10:11             ` Richard Guenther
2007-11-08  5:14           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 18:28             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 19:23             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-11-09  0:08               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-09  1:26                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-11-09 12:22                   ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-12 12:59                     ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-12 18:05                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-12 18:09                         ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-24  4:31                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-26  6:10                             ` Mark Mitchell
2007-12-05 14:21                               ` Diego Novillo
2007-12-05 22:10                                 ` Joe Buck
2007-12-15 22:51                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-16  6:27                                   ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-16 12:47                                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-17  1:27                                       ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-17  5:38                                         ` Joe Buck
2007-12-17  8:20                                           ` Geert Bosch
2007-12-18  1:24                                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18  2:02                                               ` Joe Buck
2007-12-18  4:40                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18  7:45                                                   ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-18  7:56                                                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18 13:29                                                       ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-18 22:15                                                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18  6:16                                               ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-18  8:09                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-17 18:33                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-17 17:59                                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-17 18:02                                           ` Diego Novillo
2007-12-17 20:43                                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-17 21:20                                               ` Diego Novillo
2007-12-18  1:01                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18  1:14                                                   ` Diego Novillo
2007-12-18  5:17                                                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18  8:06                                                       ` Kai Henningsen
2007-12-18  8:39                                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18 13:15                                                         ` Diego Novillo
2007-12-18 15:06                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18 16:22                                                         ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-18 16:28                                                           ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-18 16:31                                                             ` Andrew Haley
2007-12-18 16:42                                                               ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-18 17:04                                                                 ` Andrew Haley
2007-12-18 17:12                                                               ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-18 16:32                                                             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-12-18 16:44                                                               ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-19  4:30                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-19 18:41                                                             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-19 19:00                                                               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-12-19 19:53                                                               ` Janis Johnson
2007-12-19 21:17                                                                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-20  6:10                                                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-20 16:52                                                                     ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-20 21:38                                                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-21  1:54                                                                         ` Ian Lance Taylor
     [not found]                                                                           ` <orprx0izhp.fsf@oliva.atho! me.lsd.ic.unicamp.br>
2007-12-21  2:11                                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-21  3:16                                                                             ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-21  5:10                                                                             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-21 18:12                                                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-21 19:32                                                                                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-21 22:46                                                                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-22  0:07                                                                                     ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-22  0:09                                                                                       ` Andrew Pinski
2007-12-22  3:16                                                                                         ` Andrew Pinski
2007-12-22 11:44                                                                                           ` Chris Lattner
2007-12-22 21:27                                                                                             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-23 17:40                                                                                       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-12-22  7:38                                                                                     ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-22 13:33                                                                                     ` Andrew Haley
2007-12-22 17:11                                                                                       ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-31 19:39                                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-20  8:00                                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-20  8:01                                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-20 17:02                                                                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-31 16:55                                                           ` Richard Guenther
     [not found]                                                             ` <y0my7baigdf.fsf@ton.toronto.redhat.com>
2008-01-01 17:31                                                               ` Richard Guenther
2007-12-18 23:19                                                         ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-19  6:07                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-19  6:18                                                             ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-19 16:01                                                               ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-19 16:29                                                                 ` Andrew MacLeod
2007-12-19 19:25                                                                   ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-19 20:00                                                                 ` Andrew MacLeod
2007-12-19 20:40                                                                   ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-19 20:00                                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-19 21:11                                                                   ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-20  5:16                                                                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-20 16:44                                                                       ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-20 20:42                                                                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-19 20:03                                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18 23:31                                                         ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-19  4:35                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-19 16:12                                                             ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-19 19:13                                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-19 20:11                                                                 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-12-31 14:45                                               ` Richard Guenther
2007-12-16 22:20                                   ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-09 12:31                   ` Seongbae Park (박성배, 朴成培)
2007-11-09 12:42                     ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-07 17:25     ` Designs for better debug info in GCC (was: Re: [vta] don't let debug insns get in the way of simple vect reduction) Michael Matz
2007-11-07 19:03       ` Designs for better debug info in GCC Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 11:22         ` Michael Matz
2007-11-08 15:13           ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-08 16:11             ` H.J. Lu
2007-11-08 16:32             ` Michael Matz
2007-11-08 18:18               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-09 14:23                 ` Michael Matz
2007-11-12 18:17                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-13 14:22                     ` Michael Matz
2007-11-24  4:58                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-26 18:10                         ` Michael Matz
2007-11-27  3:48                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 17:48             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-09  2:09               ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-12 17:52                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-09  2:13               ` Joe Buck
2007-11-09 18:40                 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-11-09 19:02                   ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-08 16:37           ` Alexandre Oliva

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