From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [IPv6:2001:470:142:3::e]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DE76388A83F for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 15:17:17 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 0DE76388A83F Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=appliantology.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=gcc-refused-email@gnu.org Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42058) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lVFMK-0000aA-G2 for gcc@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 11:17:16 -0400 Received: from mx.kolabnow.com ([95.128.36.42]:7422) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lVFMG-0000gJ-S1 for gcc@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 11:17:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by ext-mx-out001.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22813B56; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 17:17:10 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kolabnow.com; h= message-id:references:in-reply-to:subject:subject:from:from:date :date:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type :mime-version:received:received:received; s=dkim20160331; t= 1618067829; x=1619882230; bh=s58kM0zi/3Ebn+VDaVDsvfth+c5pRboKNIS KOuXrpJU=; b=vonUZOQihFEX/b9jq0Ok8Eu+0OjG72FM3mrRH02M62id7WZG3nT 8pQHi4gKsCEHsiy4rlUPRFzogPDrY2LGVEzYaLmKV09gXuYjARA6P/p4UMUiAolu Tr0wJeIHvRz+vNLlv+Fwpf5em1trfl9slSYcQ74jKfdNXFO0K+SjqLhdgUPizBGA j1q7jXdIDs8bIoV+PXaU/IKXK84wVGRcB1OJt69TuMXAfo7kpZIF7sLYtHOrxF1K l6J3650X1BCD3gLHBYdrnSAD2D/cBhW20hwwiMTPtD5Lu0N+vAwAT80NH6QGbaac Atehe9QelOX8LHAjMK+IFcDzFGCQy0a+eX+1U20yv0jw0PIcFwZ8ytDjL8zbIG2J eb+ibWs0X2DVDh3adakXM+oY1DnyBgkndgidz+hRQn7lMCnhCdovybWEtDtr5j9f AlCDuj3x2Hwzzn/3ZfPttueh/i66l343RLJbUWXmurmJE9/2spmsWRtQ3XdZkF9j PBet+aM+m0LL8UTfBMd1x2CS4Ouh3Kb7FfBZQR7uz3W1xhx6OMkOlnx7hDqI4Ymu 7H85rcvKvmzgLz5VpyFxXvZM8j74xg5zkfFv4SlNYoznUsfgo8CvKJ97sJQBtHuy 0wA9l2yGIZNcF1Ai+b/wFXug+B3bpZ59LmYOawQjxC+HeO0aYg95XVDM= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mykolab.com X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from mx.kolabnow.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ext-mx-out001.mykolab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4Ab1cSu-0IMQ; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 17:17:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from int-mx001.mykolab.com (unknown [10.9.13.1]) by ext-mx-out001.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EA9D463; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 17:17:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from int-subm001.mykolab.com (unknown [10.9.37.1]) by int-mx001.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDFB03FD; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 17:17:08 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 08:17:08 -0700 From: Thomas Rodgers To: Christopher Dimech Cc: David Brown , gcc@gnu.org Subject: Re: GCC association with the FSF In-Reply-To: References: <6aca6d2f057a5bbbd23016c1518f1beeef1c1f96.camel@redhat.com> <20210407162454.GA22759@jocasta.intra> <20210408064528.GA10349@jocasta.intra> <94ca414af699bab851008f86f006db4bd8bf1929.camel@redhat.com> <20210408182128.GA19715@jocasta.intra> <5f532c131146b9c7549f03eac7a9da3a29db1a2e.camel@redhat.com> <20210409063749.GA8596@jocasta.intra> <04fa3173-9809-b905-8fa3-f6554b8ae7d7@hesbynett.no> <06eb8287-e6bb-270f-e5a5-730c10bb31ef@hesbynett.no> Message-ID: <5a4a24bf9e3cc2299793c53516f6a20c@appliantology.com> X-Sender: rodgert@appliantology.com Received-SPF: none client-ip=95.128.36.42; envelope-from=rodgert@appliantology.com; helo=mx.kolabnow.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 15:17:18 -0000 On 2021-04-09 14:34, Christopher Dimech wrote: >> On the contrary, I eagerly await each and every one of your missives >> on >> this topic, hoping for exactly that very thing to occur. > I do not see how you and your friends at redhat could really get any > value > from it, because being a seeker of truth means refusing to make > assumptions > about things that you do not know. The moment you assume that you know > because > of what you believe, your intelligence will sleep. It is my wish and my > blessing > that every human being has their intelligence awake. On 2021-04-10 07:49, Christopher Dimech via Gcc wrote: >> There is a big difference between suppression or censorship, and >> wanting >> people in leadership positions to be representative of the values of >> the >> group they lead. RMS can have all the opinions he wants, and act has >> he >> will (until he ends up arrested for it), but if he is to remain a >> representative for others (FSF, GNU and/or GCC), then he has a duty to >> act appropriately according to the values those organisations think >> are >> important. > If you look at the history of computing you will find that it was > mostly > crooks and people of very mixed kind of qualities. Not al all saints. > Many of them quite unscrupolous and not very clever. And still they > managed > to do great things. > > So it tells a kid: They could do that, why can't you? That was > certainly what turned me on. Freedom 0 also says "The freedom to run > a program as you wish, for any purpose". > > Should we get our ideas from politicians and bureaucrats; or from > Aleksandr > Solzhenitsyn, Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Friedrich Nietzsche, Ernest > Hemingway, > Aldous Huxley, Marie-Henri Beyle, and Emily Jane Brontë? From the > latter > of course! So, that's a solid 'no' on the likelihood of you contributing anything of value to the discussion of GCC governance then?